It's still too bad that Mac users are only three percent of the market share.

u do realise that three percent is also the amount of wise people compared to simple people?

It's not the size that matters... it's what you do with it!

Eden just posted his follow up video. Check out the link at the bottom of the story for more information.

If wise people type without capitalization, and prefer to type "u" as opposed to "you", I question the definition of the word.

Of course, it will upset you to no end to point out that some of the features Apple touted as new in Tiger. . were presented in Windows Vista (then known as Longhorn) before Apple even considered adding them to the OS.

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_alpha...

Take Dashboard for instance. . Microsoft introduced a sidebar to integrate small applets into the UI. To counter this, Apple does the same thing Microsoft did, and steals ideas from Konfabulator/DesktopX (take your pick). Then to ruin their credibility even more, they claimed to invent the entire desktop applet genre. Funny, seeing as how the same thing has been available on Macs and PCs for the longest time. Next, you have desktop search. Of course, what's old is new again here too. Nevermind the fact that the ability to search a computer's files has been available in numerous forms since the 70s. Apple takes a desktop search bar, sticks it at the top of the screen, claims to invent that first too, and calls it a day. Oh yes, what innovation we have here. Claims of innovation are untrue here as well. The creation of a desktop search bar has widely been credited to Google, although it too has existed in third party apps for the longest time. (Disclaimer: The highly overused word "innovation" has been used in this paragraph with the permission of the copyright holder, Microsoft. HA!)

Come on folks, are you really so threatened by the other 97% of the world that you have to cling to a company which grubs just as much money as your sworn enemy? The inappropriate use of a dollar sign belongs just as much in M$ as it does in MacO$. But apparently, using a dollar sign and creating videos like this soothes the community. I frankly, do not understand why you people view yourselves as "better" than the rest of us. You hold on to a company, that in your eyes, doesn't wish to suck up every dime because they're too good for it. Then when the battery in your iPod dies, Apple will give you the choice to either buy a new iPod, or charge you almost as much to replace the battery in your old one. Nope, they're not looking for money. Not no way, not no how. And you know, Apples are so much more reliable than Pcs. After all, it's normal to replace the motherboard in an iBook five times.

Finally, you have the ultimate betrayal. Your savior, Steve Jobs, has sold his soul to one of the Devil's Minions, Intel. Altivec? Emulated by a Pentium now. I guess the G4 and G5 really aren't that great, are they? Your OS is all that makes you different now. And frankly, even that is being bastardized. .

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_P...

What's really humorous, is that Jobs does not have enough confidence to take MacOS and sell it for PCs. Why is this? Is it perhaps because MacOS has nothing better to offer when compared to Windows or GNU/Linux? Or is it because he's afraid that if Mac users can get their favorite OS on another company's machine that he'll loose profits from Mac hardware sales? Gasp! Theres that evil "money" concept again.

To the person who wrote under the name "Mac Users" - that's pretty darn strange feedback you've got there. It makes me really wonder what your beef is.

Just one question though and we'll leave history to sort itself out. The question is, if this so called "longhorn" already all these whizz-bang features before OS X, then why did OS X come out to market with these features quite a long time before longhorn?

Wow, what a load of anger.

A. Sparrow

I am a mac os x user, but I am not blind to it's short coming. I wonder why should I pay $130 for a tiger upgdrade for no apparent differences? How do some applets, a search bar bundled with panther improve my real computing experience. Why I struggle with an incompatible brower like safari that even doesnt work well with a javascript? Hell, have to tried to change the size of any window in mac? You gotta find that tiny anchor all the way bottom corner to do that, how dumb? Finder is a worst thing I have ever seen compare to explorer.

The only good thing about it is it is a toy with eye catching graphics. Now it seems when Vista is coming up with same thing the mac os camp has gone crazy.

Heh, I work on both, I prefer the Mac, by far. I also prefer my BMW, over my Ford. I also love my Honda over any Harley I've ridden. It's me, i'm different, I think different, and I dont care whos on first. I have Mac Os X on my laptop of quality hardware, and it works, great. I have it, right now, I'm typing on it, right now, in a Safari window, I see this webpage. Do you see? Do you see the difference? Hello, are you still there, or are you reloading drivers?

Mac OS X User II, if you don't see the difference between Panther and Tiger, I think you've opened the wrong box.

An incompatibale browser might be, but it is still mosaic based which makes as compatible as anything else.

Additionally, the reason I changed to mac was because I am one of those odd people who value reliability and functionality and such things as the little Tab in the bottom right hand corner doesn't actually bother me.

You know being the type of person that I am means that I tend to worry about whether the software actually works, the computer doesn't go up and down like a Yo-yo and when I want my computer to do, it actually does infact do-it.

Other things like security issues were a concern, but let's not talk about those, shall we, because somehow that wouldn't be fair.

No mate. I'll stay with Mac - it actually works!!!

Have Fun

A. Sparrow

I am so happy that I switched over to a mac last year. I still have to get used to the idea that I can actually read this whole page without having to read error reports or to restart my system every hour. It is a way more realible and stable OS! NO WAY I am going back to windows again.

It would be great though if power and knowledge would be united to create the best computer ever. Bill could design the plastic bag for to cary my new computer home, and please steve: DESIGN THE REST!

i don't care who makes more money...just quality os minus the hassle restarting the os every so often and wasting my life away searching for "compatible driver".

Mac Users said that Yet, he places punctuation outside the quotes and, at the end of his diatribe, writes, . Question all you like, Mac Users, your words speak volumes.

Sorry, my previous comment used html characters, which caused significant quotations to disappear. Will try again.

Mac Users said that 'If wise people type without capitalization, and prefer to type "u" as opposed to "you", I question the definition of the word.' Yet, he places punctuation outside the quotes and, at the end of his diatribe, writes '...he'll loose profits.' Question all you like, Mac Users, your words speak volumes.

Dudes, they are computers. Use what you like and leave each other to enjoy life. Whew.

I'm with JK ... live and let live. I've used both, I love Mac, but before Windows was very compatible with Mac, everyone with whom I did business used Windows, so I switched back. Hoping with next purchase to see very little interface difference.

"What's really humorous, is that Jobs does not have enough confidence to take MacOS and sell it for PCs. Why is this? Is it perhaps because MacOS has nothing better to offer when compared to Windows or GNU/Linux?"

Confidence? Your comments PROVE you know nothing about the Mac platform at all. Seriously. You really don't get it.

If the G5 isnt that great then why is every game console maker using it now?

And lastly, it's spelled 'lose' not 'loose'. Loose is what your mom is.

Variety is the spice of life. If you don't care much about interface differences, then why not buy a Yugo rather than a BMW -- they both get you from point A to point B. The Yugo will even do it far less expensively. Or how about making do with a small screen Emerson TV instead of a 40" Sony Wega flat screen TV with HD? OK, there's no need to belabor this thing anymore. Obviously, people are going to buy whichever product they think will give them more bang for the buck, provide better service, and look better in their garage or livingroom. For me, it's Mac OS, even as it was for Bill Gates when he licensed elements of Mac OS from Apple to create Windows 1.0. And, yes, I know that Apple was inspired by the Xerox Star and Alto computers, which were marvels in their time. However, the Star (or 8010), for all the beauty of its 1024x1024 pixel display, was a ponderously slow behemoth. Apple, in creating the Lisa, followed shortly by the Mac, took Xerox's ideas, improved on them, made the OS faster and more responsive, and actually brought to market a computer for "the rest of us," which Xerox, for all their innovative ideas and technical brilliance, could not.

He wrote "Next, you have desktop search. Of course, what's old is new again here too. Nevermind the fact that the ability to search a computer's files has been available in numerous forms since the 70s. Apple takes a desktop search bar, sticks it at the top of the screen, claims to invent that first too, and calls it a day." Whole post was a bit unfair but this is absurdal! If u are saying that spootlight is ordinary search tool stick in front of desktop it means u have never used Tiger. The revolition about spotlight is not placeing it on the desktop but the search engin powering this tool. U should at least read about it, maybe u will understand!

"If the G5 isnt that great then why is every game console maker using it now?"

Consoles use a PPC design because its cheap. Its nowhere near x86 performance. And consoles, read xbox360, doesnt use a G5. But another simplifed PPC design.

A 1.2Ghz P-M is faster than Xbox360 tricore, but the P-M is more expensive.

By FastEddy on January 7, 2006 at 3:12 AM

I have it, right now, I'm typing on it, right now, in a Safari window, I see this webpage. Do you see? Do you see the difference? Hello, are you still there, or are you reloading drivers?

---What the ?

By Mac Users. . .

This guy's a f*ckin' moron....

@By a Mac user:

-You have had some of the best poinrs I've read in this never ending "MY OS is better than yours" argument I've seen in quite some time. Keep it up.

@codemonkey:

You cannot be serious. It never ceases to amaze me how Mac fanboys have it stuck in their heads that they are some higher form of intelligence because they own a Mac. I happen to disagree, you just have more money to waste. Elitism at its worst.

Take it from someone that has done both Mac & Windows support for the better part of 5 years (I'm only 22). Both groups of users are equally dumb, just to different extremes.

Personally I find it really disgusting how far Apple went out it's way to make OS X user friendly and so many people STILL don't "get it". For those curious, I actually have spoken to quite a few people that wanted to go back Windows AFTER using a Mac because they found it "easier". Go figure.

If MAC is so fucking superior... please GOD explain to us how it has such a tiny market share?

Is it because only stupid dumbasses who have money to flush down the toilet buy these over-priced candy bars? Or is it because Macs simply suck and no one makes software for it and you are stuck with Apple's offerings and have to spend $300 every year to buy another Mac OS update with two or tree addition apps and bunch of non-sense features.

Or, it might be because some people just can't stop jerking off to Steve Job's giving a keynote at MacExpo in a black turtle neck and blue jeans. Weird mofo.

Windows crashes every hour because of bad programming..right? Not because when you see a banner that guarentees you a million dollars and you click on it and now have spyware because you accepted the ActiveX applet that was installed. Try learning to use a PC before you go crying to Steve Jobs to come rape you in the ass.

I can't believe you all would think 1 mouse button is better than 2 or 3 or more mouse buttons. I hate that one Mouse button thing. Its not like I got only 2 fingers. Razor Copperhead PWN Apple Mouse. The spamming of Ipod design. Apple is another Sony to me. They want to set every rules of everything, thinking that standard is their enemy. Squeeze every bucks out of every workable industry. I used to love them, but not anymore. And by the way, is Creative who develop MP3 Player, XeroX who develop GUI, Mouse, etc. Stop saying Steve is innovative. But he is more of a visionary... Like Bill Gates but a more innovative one.

(Typo changes made) I can't believe you all would think 1 mouse button is better than 2 or 3 or more mouse buttons. I hate that one Mouse button thing. Its not like I got only 2 fingers. Razor Copperhead PWN Apple Mouse. Nice good interface design huh? The spamming of Ipod design. Apple is another Sony to me. They want to set every rules of everything, thinking that standard is their enemy. Squeeze every bucks out of everything that earn. I used to love them, but not anymore. And by the way, is Creative who develop MP3 Player, XeroX who develop GUI, Mouse, etc. Stop saying Steve is innovative. But he is more of a visionary... Like Bill Gates but better one.

Microsoft Windows > *

Read this you assholes:

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Vista's visual theme looks and acts nothing like OS X's "steel and jellybeans" theme. The Windows file browser and Finder are drastically different. Flip 3D is more akin to Alt-Tab than Expose. The taskbar in Vista shows live previews of EVERY window when you mouse over its name while the OS X dock only show live previews of minimized windows. Alt-Tab has been injected with the same instant-live-preview functionality (of course, this was available in XP through a Microsoft plug-in, but no one really uses it)...this is not present in the OS X application switching interface. The Sidebar, and accompanying gadgets, are Microsoft's take on the Konfabulator engine (I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications).

"Windows crashes every hour because of bad programming..right?"

You can't be FUCKING SERIOUS dude... I agree, it used it be like that, but it more than often due to other non-Windows software (you see there can be problems when an OS has over 100,000 software apps for it, unlike OSX). But with the NT Kernel (2000, XP, Vista...) there's no such issue... I have practically several months in uptime on my XP.

Because... As of 2005, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has an endowment of approximately US$28 billions. If you use microsoft product, you know you are helping the world. This is just a joke. :X

Before Vista rolls out, I have been seriously looking into OS alternatives prior to upgrading hardware. Lets all be honest here, this is not 1998. Stability and performance is NOT an issue for any OS these days. I have been using Windows, various Linux distributions and OSX Tiger heavily for a few months and have found serious grips with all of them. Windows must improve security and require fewer reboots for patching. Linux needs better standardization and vendor support. Lastly OSX; the interface design, while very pretty, is not a natural match for my work flow habits with a large number of open windows

Currently I am in favor of Windows Vista right now. Mostly due the communities. Windows users and forums are more frequently helpful, friendly and welcoming. Linux forums feel cold and elitist. OSX forums have been just downright bitter hateful and filled with FUD anytime something other then Apple is mentioned.

I don't care why this is the case, but it has really turned me off to using OSX and makes me feel like Apple will not succeed in growing substantial market share while the community continue acting like a scared cornered dog, snapping at anything else that comes near.

ERR404

Hey Anonymous,

You are showing yourself to be a loser when you start swearing at people.

Secondly, it's you who is losing your cool - you're acting like a damn fanatic.

Grow up or get lost, infact the world a favour and do both, and take your fanatic hell fire and brimstone with you, you loser.

Don't know how to use computers .... you dipstick, I was building them nearly 30 years.

Get Lost you weirdo!

A. Sparrow

Last word, when you get enough PC fanatics drunk they always say "I'd buy a Mac, it's just too expensive!" and that is the long and the short of it.

PC lovers would transfer in moments if they could but they just want to play games and way.

...Mac users, look yourselves in the mirror - its ok to show disapointment. Remember with Vista, there are other things than nice looking graphics beind added, so it is coming late to market. All apple do is add a couple of nifty features and say - here, if ur computers less than 2 years old, buy this upgrade now. if not then buy a new Dual G5, and get similar performance to a crapp 2.4 Celeron pc running windows ;)

the reason windows crashes is because of other programs. Remember windows runs alot more programs than mac's. With technologies such as DX10, applications and games are going to look better than ever possible on a mac, due to true vertex and pixel shading. Sure you guys have breakout...super breakout, and the occasional port.

Oh and to the guy who said somthing about drivers...Drivers need to be updated regularly, especially video drivers. Monthly releases from ATI, means i never have problems with the latest games.

Acutally, Apple did invent "widgets" by way of NeXTStep. The subsequent clones, AfterStep and WindowMaker, also had these min-app widgets long before anyone ever heard of Konfabulator. Many of the alternative Windows shells and Linux desktops have had them for years as well. Personally, I find them "neat" but mostly useless and redundant in the end. MS really missed the boat on them and their time has come and gone. After the coolness factor wears off, no one really uses them.

I'm a WinXP user. Outside of rebooting my computer when installing/uninstalling software, I never shut my laptop off, and the only time Windows has ever given me a blue screen was when my hard drive died. I've left my machine running for weeks at a time (using an application to keep the processor running cool) and it will neither slow down nor crash.

Actually, if today is Saturday, then it's been five days since I've rebooted my computer, and the only crash I've had was Firefox going down once, which isn't Microsoft's fault.

I don't care which is original, I don't care which you think is better. I'm a Windows user, the OS has NEVER crashed in the year or so I've used XP with SP2, so shove it.

re: MS really missed the boat on them and their time has come and gone. After the coolness factor wears off, no one really uses them.

Seems to be one of the few successful trends of Microsoft ;)

Macs too expensive? Try the mac mini for $500 Not enough apps? If you are a gamer I agree otherwise what do you want? One Button Mouse? Uh, I've used a two button mouse ever since I switched to mac. Why mac has small market share? Just because you have a superior product doesn't mean you automatically gain market share, it took me until the second rev of OS X to switch becasue windows was so better until OS X came out, time will tell. The money thing? "Mac Users" Every company is out to make money, but not every company lynches all their technology from small companies as they try to take over the world (IE Microsoft) Yes, I will give you that Mac did this to Konfabulator.

anyways...this whole argument is pretty dumb and filled with misinformation.

Back in highschool, when I was just a teen, I saw a TV program that showed a building sized computer. They said they input data and the computer printed out a number computing the data. That's when I turned to my father and said, why don't they build one of those small enough so that we can all have one. Then I wouldn't have to type my school reports over five times to fix the typos. He stared at me. I said there's no reason they can't build them smaller. He said it wasn't possible. I said it was possible. They just think computers need to be big. They could make them so that I could type and retype a word and print it out for me perfect the first time. There was a conspicuous inmarked white van parked across the street. It belonged to no one on the street. Inside was surveillance equipment. I'd seen it parked outside that day and a few blocks away months later. When computers first came out I told a friend that cameras would be used to put video on computers. He said that he still remembers that I said it before anyone else and before the technology came out. Turned out he worked for Speilberg whose company later was funded by Paul Allen. Months ago I started a topic online about domestic spying and asked why we put up with it when all of our ideas can be stolen. A friend has sent me an email from New York saying it's ironic that I started the conversation with him weeks before the "shit hit the fan."

That's all this woman has to say about spying.

Further to the many spying incidents, at my pad one evening after an evening out to dinner, I was discussing with the same friend an idea I had about making a robotic vacuum. I discussed the design, funtion and shape with him. In a year the Roomba or whatever it's called, came out. I'd had the idea for years, but when I voiced it, it was stolen.

This is thanks to domestic spying. I understand they can listen into your conversations through any electrical appliance plugged into an outlet, a toaster, a radio. They eavesdropped and stole my idea through my alarm clock/radio. My friend did not steal my ideas because he still has the same house and cars.

inmarked van = unmarked van

Further to eavesdropping, though the snowboard was trying to be invented or 50 years I had no knowledge whatsoever about it when just out of high school I went skiing with two surfers. They weren't getting the hang of skiing. After watching them tip over in rigid position I decided to give them some visuals to help them ski. I told them to visualize the skiis as a surf board. They still plowed unsuspecting victims down. One tipped over like a frozen stick figure, the other plowed into a ski school of children. He plowed straight into them unable to stop. We went up and down the lift and decided they were in need of a break so we headed into the ski lodge for some hot liquid: coffee, hot chocolate beer and some food. We sat down at a table facing the slopes. The room was packed with hungry skiers milling about in large unsightly ski clothing. I sat tried to explain to the two surfers, my boyfriend and his best friend, how to visualize the skis as a surfboard and to flex the knees and dig into the snow with the side of the skiis. They said nothing. We sat in silence recouperating. I stared at the skiis. I visualized a surfboard. I said outloud, What they need to build is a surfboard for the snow. A snurfboard. A surfboard. A snowboard. They need to put two or three pairs together and cut them to the shape of skiis, but probably smaller. I realized I'd just come up with a new invention. I looked behind us to see how many nosy bodies had been eavesdropping. I saw one guilty looking brunette man who sort of looked at me and then cast his eyes down. I couldn't accuse him or warn him. I stared him down. He looked away. He looked sort of French. Mid twenties to 30. Sitting right behind me listening to every word. The theif. I turned to my skiis and stared at them. I kept talking all day to my surfer friends about the shape and realized I could not go to anyone, any company and tell them because they would steal my idea, especially a ski maker. Plus I didn't have the money to make a prototype and invest in R&D. But I always thought I'd beat everyone to it in a matter of time once I graduated from college. NO! The thiefs stole it before I could figure out who to go to. I went to a college friend in an engineering course but his head was up his arse and only thinking about surfing and girls. His classwork was lame and he was designing crud that was too large, like a phone that was as ugly as it was too big. I thought it would be tough to guide him to see my vision. I dropped him as an engineer. But that's what you get for nothing. If I had money to pay him maybe he'd have been the right person. Too late. The uncreative morons stole my idea and got all the credit for creating a new sport, when it was I who created the new sport with yet another of that many visions of mine.

Oh, but I'm merely a woman. Why should I get any credit or profit from my own ideas.

You are mainly an idiot.

Hundreds of thousands of folks, male and female, have THE SAME IDEAS AS YOU... Almost none of them GET OFF THEIR ASS and make the ideas REAL.

So out of all these hundreds of thousands of folks all telling everyone about their idea, trying to get $$ to create their inventions, they somehow ONLY heard you.

You. No one else.

You are a self-absorbed idiot.

Your ideas are NOT rare, NOT special, and neither are YOU. Not until you make an idea REAL.

Now shut up until you have something to offer besides whining and complaining...

Hey hows that game with the really sweet graphics.. DENIED.

Dell/XP Pro Bought 2003, and only rebooted for updates. Use Mozilla (now using Firefox) and avoid pop-ups and adware (d/l "no ad hosts"), and any PC will run great.

Hey there XP Pro!

"any PC will run great!" LOL

Not the brightest bulb in the old bulb factory, are ya?

blah-blah-blah-macs are better.

blah-blah-blah-pcs are better.

how many computer geeks can dance on the end of a pin?

choose your friggin' poison, you geeks.

I just posted an update to the end of the story above. It explains why the QuickTime movies have been replaced with Flash based versions.

Thank you all for your comments they are a lot of fun to read!

One of the many Anonymous's wrote: "(I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications)"

Uh, Apple was using mini-apps a long time ago, called Desk Accessories, back in System 6.0 for Mac: 1988. Therefore, Apple did NOT steal from Konfabulator (OR Microsoft) the idea of mini-apps/widgets/applets or whatever you want to call them.

The top five Windows problems:

1) Viruses. 2) Infections. 3) Spyware. 4) Trojans. 5) Adware.

What a perfect acronym for the latest from Redmond!

Well, I my 'puter running xp has been on now for ~3 months without a single restart/crash/virii atack... its just a crappy old p3 thats stable as hell. Really the onlything that makes windoze so much better is just availability of software - makes it alot easier for us poor college students to get the needed software!

Macs on the other hand are over priced systems... stable yes, pratically no virii's out there, and are great for high end desktop publishing... but really thats all their good for, I recently had my company (we publish 2 newspapers) switch from some old G3 iMacs to a new P4 xp system and production has doubled since... granted the p4 greatly out peforms the G3 but really the point is that unless you really have a need for a killer desktop publishing workstation working on videos or texturing, then a 500 buck HP or Dell system will work just as good, saving you lots of $$$.

I guess the mac's would be alot better if there were more software vendors out there... biggest problem with the mac, their too propriatary...

All n all, macs are cool, but their a specialized machine, if you are just surfing the web and doing basic desktop publishing, save your money (or get one of those new sleek mac mini's, not a bad price!)

The software I need is on the Mac. I am a UNIX programmer and computer scientist. In my dock: Terminal (cygwin and putty don't cut it), X11, Mathematica, XCode, Shark (awesome profiler), Emacs (my sub-OS), iTunes, Opera. From the command-line I have all the tools I need, as well as subversion, ruby, apt, latex, nethack... the switch to and from linux is painless. I have a windows box. It gathers dust. Sometimes I trip over it.

If you're a student or like me, the mac is fine choice. If you're a gamer or your company has "Windoze" written into its Standard Operating Procedures, you're not choosing Windows for the merits of the OS anyway, so why pretend the OS is that great?

"Actually, if today is Saturday, then it's been five days since I've rebooted my computer, and the only crash I've had was Firefox going down once, which isn't Microsoft's fault. ... I'm a Windows user, the OS has NEVER crashed in the year or so I've used XP with SP2, so shove it."

Classic Microsoft apologist. Funny, when my apps misbehave, I just kill the process and the OS chugs on.

A while back I had to show my grandma how to connect to the internet, read her email, and browse the web, all using Windows. This was *much* harder than it should be, and I wish Steve Ballmer had been there to see it.

1) "What's Norton? It's making things slow, so I got rid of it." 2) "I forgot how to find xyz. Where do I click? ["start"] and then? ["programs"] one click or two? 3) shortcuts don't work because she can't always find the desktop 4) icons on the taskbar are too small for her to see or successfully click on. 5) "I lost the page I was looking at. Where is it?"

Basically, she memorized sequences of actions and if at any step along the way something wrong/new happened, she was lost and I'd get a phone call. Nothing was intuitive. (Note: being computer illiterate sometimes just means you have your priorities right.)

"Better" is always related to something else. Let's just say that xp is better than w98 and that Mac OSX is better than mac OS9. Be honest; It's impossible to compare OSX with XP. We'd need some good test standards to actually compare and judge the quality of the OS. Let's not fight about ho is good or bad. Good or bad compared to who? Is Steve better than Bill? Is a mac user arrogant?

The person who can produce reasonable test standards (and can find a windows machine which doesn't collapse after 10 minutes of testing) will be the only person which is able to say which OS is better. Though he'd need to show us his test standards.

My short opinion; Both OS have problems. The big difference is (for me) that a problem on the XP system is mostly hidden and shows itself when it is too late. Solving the problem takes a lot of time and an expert will be needed.

A problem on the OSX system will immediately result in a brief report which tells you what the problem might be. Or if there is no report the problem is at least visible.

In the meanwhile I am enjoying life. I am happy that I had the money to buy a mac G4 powerbook and I hope that a lot of people will discover how relaxing computing can be. I started using the mac 1 year ago and the first week was terrible. I had to stop thinking the "windows" way. I was searching for drivers, trying to uninstall aps by searching for "uninstall" files, and I got nervous. The basic thought was:"nothing went wrong until now". I am still connected with the internet and my computer didn't freeze". Since that didn't happen for a week a little voice was telling me: "something really bad will happen very soon". That didn't happen until now....and I have the feeling that it will not happen....

Have fun using your favorite OS. If we want to worry or fight about something let us worry about the people dying of hunger every second of the day.

"Better" is always related to something else. Let's just say that xp is better than w98 and that Mac OSX is better than mac OS9. Be honest; It's impossible to compare OSX with XP. We'd need some good test standards to actually compare and judge the quality of the OS. Let's not fight about ho is good or bad. Good or bad compared to who? Is Steve better than Bill? Is a mac user arrogant?

The person who can produce reasonable test standards (and can find a windows machine which doesn't collapse after 10 minutes of testing) will be the only person which is able to say which OS is better. Though he'd need to show us his test standards.

My short opinion; Both OS have problems. The big difference is (for me) that a problem on the XP system is mostly hidden and shows itself when it is too late. Solving the problem takes a lot of time and an expert will be needed.

A problem on the OSX system will immediately result in a brief report which tells you what the problem might be. Or if there is no report the problem is at least visible.

In the meanwhile I am enjoying life. I am happy that I had the money to buy a mac G4 powerbook and I hope that a lot of people will discover how relaxing computing can be. I started using the mac 1 year ago and the first week was terrible. I had to stop thinking the "windows" way. I was searching for drivers, trying to uninstall aps by searching for "uninstall" files, and I got nervous. The basic thought was:"nothing went wrong until now". I am still connected with the internet and my computer didn't freeze". Since that didn't happen for a week a little voice was telling me: "something really bad will happen very soon". That didn't happen until now....and I have the feeling that it will not happen....

Have fun using your favorite OS. If we want to worry or fight about something let us worry about the people dying of hunger every second of the day.

u say you cant compare to anything??:S:S will i think you misjudge that one!!! its very easy take 2 pentium's 4 and both have the same ghz and same ram and same harddisc and the same videocart etc etc. now format both çomputers completly install at 1 computer windows xp and one computer macintosh. run some seriously tests on it and look wich one first crashes,and if not when and where does problems ocure? compare the test results and now u know wich OS is better:)

Yes I don't say that it is impossible to compare them, but I think that it is almost impossible to design the right tests. Does mac osx run on a P4 anyway? Not (yet), right? If yes, please somebody do a proper test and clear up the sky!

I think it is nice that some people want to play the mediator and act the Zen buddhist by proclaiming "all things are equal", but it does get a little tiring and extremely boring when people are insulting, they swaer and they down right prevaricate.

Many people have now converted to mac and are very happy to stay because of the end user experience. Most of us, if not all have extensive experience with PC's and XP and you name, and I would think, when someone is honest, truly honest, the mac experience after using windows is extremely pleasent.

I personally used windows for years, and I assure all these fanatical participants, unless something very, very, very bad happens with Apple. I'm not going back to MS.

Nothing personal, but the end user experience in terms of reliability, security, customer service, etc is really much. much better than with PCs.

As to the reliability factor, someone on this very forum prclaimed thhat they had their PC running for 3 months or more. I don't like calling people liars 'cause I don't like it myself, but in my mind and my professional experience, three months without a reboot on any MS based machine is stretching the belief. I won't say it is impossible, but I think in someone is "having a lend of us".

3 months - yeah maybe for a mainframe, possibly for some UNIX systems but for much else, my experience say a big "Nah!!, Not damn likely."

Have Fun.

Sparrow

You can check out the video from Las Vegas at: http://www.mypartypost.com/watchvideobig/1455/Wind...(Part_1)

There are two different videos to watch. Pretty cool stuff!

If Apple could write it's own OS core instead of using a matured, existing Unix core then maybe a fair technical comparison could be made between Windows ans MacOS X. You see, OS cores are hard things to develop. Drawing cute stuff on the screen is much easier. Even Microsoft can't do everything at once. Since they developed their own OS core, cute little drawings dragged a little behind...

If Apple could write it's own OS core instead of using a matured, existing Unix core then maybe a fair technical comparison could be made between Windows ans MacOS X. You see, OS cores are hard things to develop. Drawing cute stuff on the screen is much easier. Even Microsoft can't do everything at once. Since they developed their own OS core, cute little drawings dragged a little behind...

Mac OS8 and OS9 - both very stable and niether were UNIX - developed in house.

One could easily forget that MS originally purchased MS-DOS in the beginning, but of course, we shouldn't mentioned that now should we.

What an odd thing to say Barros.

Viel Spass!

Sparrow

Please, everybody...

Just shut the XXXX up~!

Use whatever OS you want. Stop wasting time bashing each other.

Go ahead and use your VISTA...

Oh, I mean... "WAIT" for your VISTA.

While I enjoy my OS X...

Mac OS8 and OS9 were hardly stable. MS may have purchased the original DOS, but that was simply because Gary Kildall didn't want to give IBM CPM. Bill had a week to get an OS, what's a guy to do.

Of course Apple had to pay $450 million for their OS, NeXT in 1996, and it still took them over 5 years to release it to the market. All this after they spent millions and years to write their own mature OS with no results (copeland anyone?)

LOL man this is a funny lines of comments! Do you guys really put this much energy into your OS preference? I just like trying different OS's and seeing what direction folks are trying to take computers.

Whoa! Sorry when I posted the result page threw a nasty error!

Rebooting an XP machine? Say what???? Apart from some not soo good software (like Creative's) I don't to reboot ever in months....

erik

You don't reboot? Ok, what you are saying is you DON'T install any patches or updates (of which XP has about 10 times more than Macintosh).

No patches or updates? Say what?????

By VISTA on January 8, 2006 at 12:53 AM

The top five Windows problems:

1) Viruses. 2) Infections. 3) Spyware. 4) Trojans. 5) Adware.

All those are User Errors. I have run my XP box for 2+ years with not one infection and it stays live except for reboots for patches.

Run 'no ad hosts', dont install anything you are not 100% positive is clean, and some normal firewalling with DHCP and NAT and you are all set.

Not comparing OS's, just saying XP is a solid OS and with some small amount of user prevention can be as clean as anything else.

As for WHY Windows is the target of all those things, Market Share. MacOS is protected by its own exclusivity. I guess the cost is just one more type of firewall.

All those are User Errors.

User Errors?

Joe Sixpack should LEARN SYSTEM ADMIN???!

Why oh why oh WHY is XP set up OUT OF THE BOX to get hosed?

You blame the USER!!?? For what? Pointing and clicking?

When XP WARNS me when a program is being installed, THEN it will act LIKE IT SHOULD, just like my mac...

Vista will exist at some moment and time in the future and when it does it will be cool.

In the meantime, if you want many of those cool features that Vista will have, but you want them right now, then switch to OS X.

Don't worry, you can switch back to Vista as soon as it comes out. Nobody will stop you. :->

windows users suck balls.

Whoa, it's amazing how brainless some people are. WinXP fanboys and Mac OS X switchers (not longtime users or multi-OS users) are all soooooo stupid. Uhhhh… It hurts to read gibberish like this.

Quick comment. Another poster had a very interesting comment about trying to teach his/her grandmother how to use WinXP. I had similar experiences, but using Mac OS X, and pre-OS X in addition to WinXP/ME/98/95. I have discovered that old people tend to like Mac OS 5-9 best. Mac OS X is too crazy and confusing. Windows XP is absolutely unintuitive (totally based on memory and getting used to the OS). I find it very interesting how old school Mac OS’s turn out to be most intuitive and logical.

One more comment. Have you hardcore WinXP fanboys ever tried to do basic networking with WinXP?? Like share files between two computers, or even set up shared internet and printer connections. If you haven’t, it’s practically impossible without an internet walkthrough or guide. Those M$ wizards are about as useful as the clip dude. Why oh why can’t they respect the end user a little more.

lol sharing files or printers in xp is hard you say? lmao sorry dude but it has to be the easiest thing to do. Just right click the HD, click sharing tab, check the box "Share this folder on the network" and walla ur done.

Printer share? just as simple, right click the printer, click sharing, and check the box "share this printer" and there ya go, shared.

Not saying mac is any harder, just saying that xp is really easy to setup sharing, I guess your too used to mac (not cutting you down, had the same prob trying to share macs at the office awhile back, took me awhile to fig it out)

oh and internet connection sharing? just as easy... just click the properties of the device you want shared, goto the advanced tab, and click the check box next to "Allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection" and walla, don't even have to setup gateway's or IP's on the other systems, they auto config... how dandy is that?! :)

1. Mac Users, Zach, r2d2, & XP Pro: you're d*ckheads. 2. Why do most Mac bashers misspell a lot? 'Cause they're not the sharpest tools in the shed. Losers.

*sigh*

Okay, I've never used a Mac before. "Blasphemy!", I hear you scream. "Eat me!", is my reply.

You really can't compare Mac's with Windows-based machines. They serve completely different functions. Each one is brilliant in their own way.

Myself, I've never had any problems with Windows. My PC has never crashed, blue-screened, rebooted or frozen. Maybe it's all to do with how diligent you are when installing apps, who knows?

I treat my PC like gold. I don't install anything that is not an original. I do disc scans, virus scans, spyware scans and adware scans regularly. I don't surf dodgy websites. I ensure that I reboot after each install and remove older versions of software before installing newer versions. I clean out my registry every so often. Defrags are scheduled to run once week in the middle of the night. Etc, etc, etc.

Now, although this may seem like a cumbersome process to all you Mac users, the fact is, these tasks all run in the background while I go about my business. And to all those Windows users that don't follow these tips, this is why you seem to be having so many problems in the first place.

Macs are primarily used for graphics design. I'm not a graphics designer. I like my Windows-based PC but respect those who use Macs for their own particular reasons. I really don't undersand why you guys are so resentful of each other.

Get lives, ffs.

I risk, no, I AM dating myself with the following. But I have learned to learn from history, if that can help me make some money. If some tactics in history have turned some people into filthily-rich, perhaps applying 1% of those similar tactics myself could help me become 99% less poor.

Try living in a place where data-stream-(fish)hooking-up is child's play and you can experience first-hand how "hole-ly" Win/IE can get, regardless that similar hooking-techniques can be used on Mac connections because ISP hard/software setups can ALL be based on Wintel/Linux servers. Live in another place like Singapore then you'll appreciate why "loopholed" technology has it benefits for the big-boys to control usage. I learned about computers fresh out of HS from IBM on S360/S370/System-3 and 4033, and the smaller or personal ones after that, in all sizes and flavours. Right now I'm waiting for the Intel-Apple boxes (strictly a personal choice, no need to bash me) so that I might hope to run Tiger, Linux AND whatever Windows would be the current "daily special" at the greasy-spoon -- all at the same time on the same box. The world has variety and I want to take advantage of that. Maybe Intel-Apple would give me that chance. I almost switched to an iBook in 2004 but good thing I waited for Tiger, now there is much more worthwhile things to wait for, I think.

Although privately I would have wanted the IBM boys to be more sauuve in business and marketing so that my real choice of OS (OS/2) does not have to relegate to being only a specialized breed today, and I can enjoy true multitasking instead of suffer from semi-pseudo-multi wintasking every single day!!! (If you didn't know OS/2 is still in use today, now you do.)

(Resending, in parts, part 2) Windows only gained huge sales figures at version 3.0, not by functionality or quality but by sheer marketing tactics. Many who bought Win3.0 for their Apple hardware in those days were ill-informed. (I'm not an Apple hardware user, just a wannabe, although someone donated a Lisa to me for collectibles.) The others bought it to play Solitaire because that was all it could do and look pretty without stopping at fatal errors. I couldn't even use Word or Excel when my then boss bought Win3.0 for me. I stayed with WordPerfect 5.1 and Lotus 1-2-3 for PC-DOS until Win95 came out. (MS-DOS 5.0 then had its own share of bad press as well as issues, but that would be a totally different story.) Win3.0 came to market amid M$ delaying its contract duties to develop OS/2 with IBM. Funny how before that OS/2 co-op contract M$ programmers didn't know how to do multi-tasking programming or graphical GUI???

To rub more salt to that wound of stalled contract duties, M$ cornered ALL the floppy suppliers LONG before Win3.0 was ready (never was it ready for business) for sale. In doing so, OS/2 could not get enough floppy makers to help bring it into packaging units.

Of course, if you want to verify the above, news records or other old brains like mine can attest to that.

Then again, history can show you how Win3.1 came to replace 3.0, but bugs made it necessary to bring out 3.11 soon, and the lack of true business usage in 3.1 or 3.11 brought about 3.11 for Workgroups. Meanwhile, ties on that ill-fated OS/2 contract were severed too-earlily and left the M$ programmers learning in the dark for rolling out "consumer-paid-for-beta-test" versions of delayed NT4, and even more-delayed Win2000. But that tie had to be severed at that time, otherwise ... you are all wise people, and you can draw your own conclusions from there.

(Resending, in parts, part 3 of 3) I am not being harsh to use the words like "learning in the dark" at all. Just recount the versions of Win95s, and the Win98s, and (problematic is not enough as an adjective) WinME. Multiple Windows versions to correct bugs in the previous ones that were released to correct previous bugs. At least they are now called SP's instead.

The last words today: marketing is the key. Windows has more software packages to run on it and is installed on more PC's, is mainly due to marketing tactics. Win3.0 to Win95 did generate a lot of cash and made many new M$ millionaires. One of my former neighbours was one of them. Mac/Apple has a smaller market-share is partly because its early marketing tactics were not targetting the business community. Many Windows programs would stall/hang/crash is also due to marketing. M$ does not release everything about its kernel. Try running, fro instance, under Windows, WordPerfect and M$ Word side-by-side as I often do and you'll see the difference. And some last words for laughs: for non-English-speaking countries, most of those (97% you say?) learning both English and computers only need to know two words in English: "Please Wait..."

Someone please tell the boys at Apple/Mac to humbly learn from W. Gates' marketing tactics and soon there would be another huge multi-billion dollar endowment from Apple to help those less-fortunate, and PC users in the business community would also benefit as an afterthought. That would really be nice.

And my next Intel-Apple purchase will make me feel proud that I am supporting a good cause, somehow...

Actually, Amiga invented the widget long before Mac or Windows.

In my opinion cute little graphics is the key... and the user interface is THE NEXT BIG THING. The Core on the other hand should provide good hooks and gatways for devlopers on a broad basis using standard protocols! The way to get to a goal and the ease of use are the criteria that can be choosen to compare the OS's. What come bundled in and what do I have to pay extra for. An my big wish for the future is : better accessible and free knowlege interated the same way itunes works for music...

Really difficult to comment on a product that has not yet been on the market. It may be the best thing since sliced bread. On the other hand, it just may slice up all the work on your hard drive. I'll wait to comment on Vista until the fatal errors and security patches begin to arrive... I at least know that will invariably occur. Of course, I'll be viewing all this on my faithful Mac...

So sad to see that all you losers true selves come to life on an internet forum because there's no threat of any social or other retribution. Just cause it's the internet everyone becomes an asshole. You all suck, Mac and Winblows people alike. Grow up, stop acting like 12 year olds.

The simple fact of the matter is that both companies have borrowed from other companies. If you don't want your ideas copied/stolen, then patent them. That's what it's for. The simple fact is also that the Mac was first, and nearly every product Microsoft made in their early days was for Mac, because there was no such thing as Windows.

Also, those of you Winblows users who are comparing "Vista" to Tiger... get real. Until it actually hits the shelves, "Vista" is vaporware. Go ahead and make your comparisons, by the time it's out, 10.5 will be shipping, and MS will once again be copying in Apple's dust. (Oh, and the reason MS has 97% market share is because they use illegal tactics in the marketplace, after all, they are a convicted monopolist, in both the US and EU.)

When push comes to shove, I use a Mac, though I have to use Winblows as well. Both are stable, both are fast on their hardware. The difference is functionality. You can do pretty much all the same things on Winblows and Mac, the difference is that in Winblows I have to send a tech support request and wait days for it to be done, and then deal with the shitty superior attitudes of the IT people. With Mac, if I don't know how to do something, I can always figure it out in a matter of minutes, and you know what? It just works.

what is windows? ist this the beta of a OS from MS for the year 2395 names "ah4fm3" ? lool

"In my opinion cute little graphics is the key... and the user interface is THE NEXT BIG THING."

Exactly. This is the mentality of Mac users and why there is only a 3% market share. I use my PC to DEVELOP, not just to watch the latest episode of Desperate Housewives while I'm putting together a video of my son playing t-ball.

"The difference is functionality. You can do pretty much all the same things on Winblows and Mac, the difference is that in Winblows I have to send a tech support request and wait days for it to be done, and then deal with the shitty superior attitudes of the IT people." Brilliant. I was wondering who the people were that still call tech support. Gimme a break. The only people who need tech support are people who don't know what the hell they're doing.

Tmaster

"The only people who need tech support are people who don't know what the hell they're doing."

Silly Tmaster - People who don't know what the hell they're doing? That would be 98% of the people out there using Winblows...

That's the real world...

If PCs were cars? No license, no training, no turn-signal, no oil-changes EVER would be standard. People driving 120 mph in FIRST gear, watching 25 channels at once while negotiating a turn right into granman Jones cottage...

The MOMENT computer users catch a clue OR the moment the Winblows interface follows any logic at all, THAT'S the TRUE beginning of the 'cyberspace revolution'...

There's one thing that should be said about the whole Gaming Platform G5 bit... When the good people at xbox started development for their 360, did they work on windows machines... no. They bought G5 Towers. And even the first public trial of the 'xbox 360' wasn't actually of the xbox 360. The wonderful gaming console they saw wasn't doing a damn thing, the game was being run on... you guessed it, a G5. (and on a personal note... '360'... what's up with that, just because they're doing the PS3 doesn't mean you'll sound inferior by calling it the xbox 2... xbox 360 just sounds slightly... dumb.)

Vista is not VAPORWARE you morons.

Ever heard of thepiratebay.com?

Go download and install it yourself.

Oh, and before I forget... you need a Personal Computer to do that... you know the one where you have the choice of which OS to install.

Why would you want to pirate that hunk a junk vaporware? So you can do disc scans, virus scans, spyware scans and adware scans regularly. don't surf dodgy websites. I ensure that a reboot after each install and remove older versions of software before installing newer versions. clean out the registry every so often. Defrags are scheduled to run once week in the middle of the night. Etc, etc, etc.

Too rich.

I can't see why anybody would like the engage in this flamewar anymore. Everything you say has been said before. I switched about 6 months ago and I am very pleased with my choice. Having used OS X for a while I find XP crude and primitive, but doesn't mean I don't get pissed off by OS X's little quirks. Let's just agree that none of the systems are insanely better than the other, they just suit different people in different ways.

YAWN

Being in computer business for 15 years, starting at IBM, having learned assembler (!) on mainframe. Switched to Mac in Summer 2002, Powerbook G4, 800 MHz processor, 512 MB RAM and 40 GB hard disk, wireless LAN integrated.

- Uptime since then 3 years and 6 months. - 15 system restarts because of new software versions. - 1 system crash in an early version of panther after playing with some system internals. - running the latest version of OS, OS X 10.4.3 with no performance issue. - no slow apps - using 2 users at the same time always - apps active: MS Word, MS Powerpoint, MS Excel, Pages, Keynote, iTunes, iPhoto, ColorSyncUtility, Preview, Address Book, Safari, Mail and a FTP client. - running in an heavy Windows environment with Windows Server 2000 printing, external disk mounts etc at the client site. - no hardware errors ever - no driver problems

My problem is: I don't have any need to buy a new computer. The new ones are only 2 times in clock speed, but who cares? All my tasks are going in a blink of an eye, so why buying a new one?

This was different when using my windows laptop. I really like dedicating my spare time to Windows users helping them just running their systems. I would be jobless when every system on the client's site would crash only ONE time in 3 years, six months...

Just see what happens today peecee weenies.

You sad tossers will be queueing up to buy Macs in 2006.

You said ignorant weenie kiddies. I pity you.

So tiring. Whoever is claiming that MS invoates - you're dumb. Plain and simple. Also, this stuff about mac users thinking their superior - read the windows posts! I use both. Both have value. But the anti-mac jealousy, or confusion, or plain stupidity is WAY more disturbing than anyone that likes either platform 'too much'.

Why do people get so worked up? Clicking on a banner ad - that you're only likely to get on a windows box - that installs an ActiveX control... you're defending that as user error? Uh... Yeah. Let's not all be blind. That's a crap situation. The WMF situation is crap. The hours and hours and hours and hours I spend cleaning up windows for other people - is crap. Just because you have a windows box, doesn't make this stuff go away.

So, mr 22 year old-just began my computer career, everyone's stupid. Being stupid on windows makes your computer unusable.

Why is everyone so scared of apple? WHY DO THEY ONLY HAVE 3 %.. blah blah blah. go read the history of personal computers. It isn't because the OS is bad..

Windows is so sloppy. Period. Comparing a list of features became irrelevant long ago. If you are crying about konfabulator or widets, or dock previews, you need to relax and try using both platforms. You'll become less stupid in your comments. Also, claiming that Apple stole features of Longhorn - which doesn't exist at this point - is silly.

Blah blah blah. Thanks for the video, folks. It was funny!

I didn't read down all the way, so this may have already been stated. In response to the small market share:

The small market share had nothing to do with the quality of the Macintosh. It had to do with the quality of management at Apple. When Apple fired Steve Jobs in the 80's and had a more traditional CEO take over (John Scully), it was screwed. The early 90's defined the PC revolution. An traditional CEO had no clue how to keep up.

Look what has happened to Apple since Jobs returned in 1997. It is arguably one of the most innovative companies in the tech world. It is definitely the only tech company so intricately woven into pop culture.

As for Vista, it will be the same Windows, built half assed. Only now did they come out with some of those cool features that OS X has had for years because it took a while for MS to figure out how to rip them off.

Peace.

(And don't come back with some "Macs suck" rhetoric. You probably do not know what you are talking about.)

Why shouldn't Microsoft incorporate the cool functionality from OS X into Windows? Mac users should take it as a compliment! As for me, I think Macs are fun, but I have a serious investment in PC hardware/software... so I'm happy to see that Mac features I like will be integrated into the OS I use most. No need to argue, folks.

Hah, now we're compting on the same grounf - the same base chips and processor.

As Jabett quotes, ms copied some of macs functionlity and as someone else said, it was already in the Amiga.

Eitherway, the mac announcement is good. Intel builds good processors!!

Good on Steve Jobs!

Well Done!

Sparrow

Confidemus,

It's really strange for a Powerbook to have an uptime of 3 years, and only 15 restarts. It seems to me like you don't take our laptop with you anywhere...

Well these are rather interesting comments, while "mac user" did say a lot of stuff to upset mac users, his points really don't carry much if any weight, with the dashboard/Konfabulator comment exception, it really doesn't matter. The Mac os did get sold on other computers other than mac hardware but that was the biggest mistake that apple made because they were and still are a software AND hardware company, not just software like Microsoft. That whole point in Apple's business life almost killed it because they WERE sell the os, but not on the hardware they were designing so they ended up losing more money then they were making. So apple stop that and focused on making the hardware and software as compatible as possible, which is why you get a stable machine. Yes the fact that apple does things like this make the computers more expensive, even with an Intel chip in the machine, it will be different then if you get a similar PC. So even if Microsoft had all of those ideas in there new os, the search, the applets, etc. Was all of this even working nearly as well as it is on OS X, I would hope so but even that doesn’t mean it does. Even if Microsoft had started longhorn ages ago and had all of the improvements that Apple has in Tiger, why is it that it still won’t come out till late 2006, if they really had all of that then something would have happened by now. Anyway, that iBook problem seem to be something that has happened to a very small amount of people because i still have a Mac from 14 years ago with stock hardware that still runs, and even have a 5 year old Powermac G4 with stock hardware with the exception of a 256 RAM upgrade and it still is running as well as the day I got it. So to be honest that iBook problem can’t be apples fault as I have never heard of any problem that is even remotely similar to the one that you say has happened. To be honest the only thing that I can think of is that the owner of the iBook is very careless and might not understand that water and the motherboard of running computer don’t mix well. And as for the iPod battery problem, http://www.ipodjuice.com/, this kinda solves that one for what, $30, and even better batteries.Yeah I know that apple didn’t come up with this but still, its not like you have to got through dell or HP or Alien-ware to fix your computer, so I kinda think thats a dead-end. And so what Job’s decided to switch to the Intel processor, he might be an innovator and one hell of a salesman, but he’s always been an ass so who care. Its not like the Intel in a dell and in the new Macs are going to be the same anyways because Job’s is so anal about it being to his standards that it doesn’t really stay the same. Yes it might be similar but not the same. So really I have no idea what any of your gripes are about because I can’t see the really problem in anything other than yeah apple needs to make money and yeah Konfabulator was kinda copied but they never really took of till OS X made it better, but the fact is that now Vista is still playing catch-up with really everything that Mac OS X really is. Ok so its 2:32 AM, I need sleep now.

Hi there,

Ever tried to uninstall "Internet Explorer" on a (freshly installed) XP computer? If not, try it!

But please don't forget to make a backup of all your data on an external source which is NOT connected during uninstall (and at the moment you have to do the format of your harddrive again.)

Also remove all flamable materials from the room your machine is in. Wear safetyglasses the moment you press "uninstall".

That's the biggest difference for me. On the mac at least it feels I have choice to use the software I Chose! On the XP machine if feel I have less control over my software and how it is used.

The best example is uninstalling Internet Explorer. Please windows XP users, try it! (But don't forget that backup!)

Sorry for my crap English writing. I suck at it (but at least my powerbook stays awake..).

No need to fight about what's better or not. Try both for a while. I have used windows computers for several years and I think they are just not that good as my powerbook.

Hi Barros,

sure I do. But You're right. When going into an airplan I shut it down. This has been for about 20 additional times in this three and a half years. When driving in a car it only sleeps. Anything wrong with this? I have a brenthaven bag, which covers it nicely.

Best, Fernando

Hi Confidemus,

Hey man, just teasing you, don't be upset... It's just that I have a lot of fun with these discussions. In reality, I do use Windows but I really don't have anything against Macs. I don't use OS'es I use applications, so I really don't care if I'm running Photoshop on XP or OS X, it works on both.

Are you portuguese by any chance?

Regards, Miguel

PCs Suck. They're always going down. Owning a PC is like a spring. It goes down, it comes back up again, it goes down, etc.

Not only are they going down and up and down, etc, the software doesn't do as it is supposed to do- if it even stays running.

Yeah sure there's a lot more software for the PC, but most of it is crap. It's like a electric bowtie or some type of computerized electronic toothpick. It's worthless.

I'll stay with the Mac. At least, the software on it actually works and it is, most of the time, useful.

MS has a good word processor, a good spreadsheet and a middlin' presentation package - anyone should be happy with that. The rest is rubbish. Bill and Co should be happy wih that.

Oh and MS Project - Bill G. should really sack the people who write that. It is the worst Proj Mang package that has ever been released. I mean really, it is so bad. Give up. You make these people go and get a day job. Start busking or something. MS Project should be banned. It is total crap.

Have Fun.

Spatz = Sparrow

Hi Miguel, no problem, my father is Spanish, but originally I'm German.

Yes, it is about using apps and being productive. Since using a Mac I'm far less in system administration and system recovery as in my Windows time and I'm more productive. But some of best people I know are using Windows machines, so it might be that using a inferior system does not effect the basic human qualities...

Best Fernando

I just posted Episode 3 of Eden's series. See the link at the end of the story above for a link.

Oh... I want this in quicktime to keep it! :-(

While I love OSX (getting the new laptop ASAP).. the problem with this article is you are only focusing on the user level features. The real interesting stuff is the network/internet integration, the new deployment tools, all the under the hood stuff (especially the new audio engine).. But Mac Zealots only tend to look at the surface.. thats why they shout about the strength of OSX Unix foundation yet they don't know how to use unix at all! The UI is important as hell but for us engineers the real exciting stuff is happening under the hood..

Well, Nebo those are some of the points I was gonna go for, but at 2 in the mourning things don't always got the way I want them too. The unix foundation is probably the best part that, even I have to admit even though ive used macs my entire life, that even I forget about cause Apple does a good job with the user interface that you forget its Unix now. It feels even easier than any other os, including the previous OSs. Although with the direction that windows is taking, and that even I think that the programers at Microsoft have alot of potential, it just doesn't seem like Microsoft is putting nearly the effort that Apple or the various Linux programers are putting into their OSes. Not that the Microsoft programers aren't good or competent, maybe just not as motivated as the other companies, and that could not have anything to do with the programers themselves. Ok that was a little long winded, sorry bout that.

Well, Nebo those are some of the points I was gonna go for, but at 2 in the mourning things don't always got the way I want them too. The unix foundation is probably the best part that, even I have to admit even though ive used macs my entire life, that even I forget about cause Apple does a good job with the user interface that you forget its Unix now. It feels even easier than any other os, including the previous OSs. Although with the direction that windows is taking, and that even I think that the programers at Microsoft have alot of potential, it just doesn't seem like Microsoft is putting nearly the effort that Apple or the various Linux programers are putting into their OSes. Not that the Microsoft programers aren't good or competent, maybe just not as motivated as the other companies, and that could not have anything to do with the programers themselves. Ok that was a little long winded, sorry bout that.

I am an apple user.

I have no opinions, needs or desires that are in conflict with apple. If it's good for apple it's good for me. If it's good for me, but bad for apple, then I oppose it. If it's good for me, but apple doesn't offer it yet, I oppose it. When apple tells me that it is good for them, I will change my mind and support it. I need no choices because choices mean I can choose something other than apple, which is bad. Therefore choice is bad. Unless apple gives me a choice, then choice is good.

Apple's success means I have been successful at making apple successful. If jobs is happy I am happy. If jobs is angry I am angry. I have no opinions other than jobs'. When something new comes out, apple will tell me what it is and tell me how much I want it. I can tell if apple wants me to have it because they will sell it to me if it is good, and not sell it to me if it is bad.

Apple gives me all the choices I need. I can load music on my ipod that i download from apple, rip from my cd's or pirate. Piracy is good because apple permits it. If it were bad they would prevent it. Pirated music helps sell more ipods, which is good for apple. So pirated music is good.

As of today intels are bad, feh, I hate them. IBM power pc's are good. As of whenever Apple switches, IBM power pc's will be bad. I will hate them. When intel cpus sit in a mac they will be good. When they sit in a pc they will be bad, crappy dells. I will hate them.

The Operating System. Ah-oom. The Operating System. Mac OS X version 4.1.2.3.4.5.6.7 Tigerrrrr. Ah-oom. Oooh, aaah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, eeeeh, aaaaaaah. Oh Steve. zzzzzzzzzzz.

Thanks for posting this - even as a Windows Vista beta tester I appreciate the humour (and I hate these huge icons, whatever the desktop environment - OS X, Linux KDE, or Windows "Aero").

BTW, One useful side effect of you having to move the videos to You Tube - I can watch them from my Solaris x86 laptop... shame Apple can't be bothered to write a Unix/Linux QuickTime player...

LOL, what's with all the MAC fanboys? Guess what kiddies, OSX is already on X86, and there's nothing that you little Apple Bum-Fuckers can do about it. Put it this way, Jobs has sold out to Intel. The new MACs are now PC's.

... Or maybe it's because Jobs finally realized that the PPC structure sucked, and came to his senses that Microsoft (and other x86 based OS's) were doing it right all along?

LOL Mac 3l33ts. You're nothing but PC users now!

PS. TO ALL PPC FANBOYS:

How does it feel? You know, to lose?

Since OSX is on x86 right now, I'm going to install it on another partition, so I can play with the GUI.

Then, when I want to do something USEFUL, I'll switch over to Windows or Linux.

Catcha later!

CLiDE = Clueless Loser, Idiotic, Drooling and Empty-headed...

Or

Chips are Logically Ignored - Demand Excellence instead...

LOL!

This is fun. This idiot thinks that only a processor determines the quality of an operating system.

Go and do your usefull stuff instead of talking crap.

Finally the engine has found the perfect car! Windows is like a Fiat Panda with a mercedes engine...CLiDE...

Clide see how that works. The x86 version of OSX was a beta and was hacked onto an x86 machine. It's slow as hell and buggy as hell if you try to install it.

And how does changing a processor sell out a company? PPC was good. It's just it couldn't go past a certain GHZ effectively and was less energy-efficient or battery-efficient. They saw Intel would let them increase the GHZ and make it less battery intensive and heat producing. So you're saying just because PPC was the best choice a couple years ago, Apple should stubbornly stick with it when theres a better processor to use? Isn't that what half you assholes are complaining about? Isn't that why the one-button mouse is so "unholy and blasphemous to god?" I don't use a one-button mouse. Macs have had multiple button mice for years and years. Apple just never packed them in, favoring a one button mouse for god knows why. But do I care? Just buy a twobutton mouse for like $20 or use the one you already have with your PC. OSX will recognize any mouse as long as it isn't PS/2.

And everyone shut up. This is stupid. People who want games and apps that they're company needs will get a PC. Or if you're really careful and don't have kids that will download Wild Tangent and fuck everything up. People who want everything else should get a Mac.

You know the reason I have a Mac? My mom has a Dell Inspiron 9XXX laptop. I have to fix it all the time and she's always going "can you come here? My window dissapeared" but of course the window didn't dissapear, it was just behind another window. I'm sure Windows Vista will be great. No one can deny it's not a blatant ripoff but at least it's catching up OS-feature-wise. It's better to be ripping off than to be behind. I personally thing XP is a mess but that's not why people buy it. It's because it gets lots of software and gets tons of games. I play games on my Mac and there are enough for me but if I was more into Computer Games, I would have bought a PC. I can just play my Xbox 360...which is the most innovative thing I have ever seen from Microsoft. But Microsoft doesn't need innovation. All they need is support from Third Parties and dedicated fanboys that act like assholes to anyone who doesn't praise Bill Gates as their lord and savior. I'm not dissing Windows. I'm just saying both Mac people and Windows people should stop fighitng over this. Both sides need different things from their computers.

You know it is quite astounding that some tool thinks that changing processor means giving in.

I don't want to be rude but it is astounding that some idiot wants to make the processor and issue of OS.

It's like they really haven't a clue.

Windows is a nice, cheap (Hah, Hah) OS that has many, many useless pieces of software available for it. So what if the security sucks, the OS is unstable, it's massive with redundant and superfluous code and the software packages that are available are as useful as a refrigerator in the north pole, it has lots of adware and lots of entertaining viruses. You'd never be bored.

I'm sure Vista, since it is developed with the same underlying philosophy, will share the many features that we've become so fond of in all other MS packages. I mean, if it wasn't for viruses and adware, we'd all be pretty bored wouldn't we.

Love that MS stuff - never a dull moment!

Have Fun, one and all.

A. Spatz

I think the reason why OSX would be safer than Windows even if it had 97% is because of its Unix haratige. To intall anything in Unix you need the admin password, if someone gained access to your system thats nice, but what could they do? they would have to have all of your pass words to do anything or even change a file, if Apple kept it the same then it should be a safe reliable system, The prolem with Windows is that everyone is the Admin unless you set up everyone as a restricted user and have one admin account. I personally use Linux, but work with Windows since I'm a system admin, people are just used to it. I think you will see Windows taking a lot of things from the Linux community, such as admin privlages. In the Linux world we've had somthing like the glass and the flipping for a while, its called project looking glass, a total 3d desktop environment, even the wall paper moves and is active. The games thing is kinda over hyped i mean common if i can get new games on Linux i know i can get game on Mac if I wanted too. I think the OS will eventually be a comodity, MS will eventually use the BSD kernel just like OSX, and you will just have to pick your desktop environment. Windows does need to beef up security, seriously, IE stinks, and their firewall is a joke. Apple needs to do somthing about safari, a lot of sites tell you you cant use it so you need Firefox or Opera. And us in the Linux Community well we need to play catch up, its not yet ready for consumers, though some are like Linspire, and Xandros, but over all in terms of usability we need some major improvements. To be fair we've only been around for half of what Apple and MS have been around for.

i think mac os better than windows, i don't have to worried about registry. thank God i have been switch

check this out Windows > Mac OS X > FlyakiteOSX

http://www.FlyakiteOSX.com/ is a transformation pack. It will transform the look of an ordinary Windows XP+ system to resemble the look of Mac OS X.

Screenshots:

http://www.flyakiteosx.com/screenshots/

Its funny to read this, been an Mac user for long time always made a strange effect on my windows friends, the constant bombardment of question, some like "wheres the cd tray?" when i had the iMac and now the eMac or why you dont have to install drivers? when I hooked on any USB device I wanted. Some windows fanatics can flame Apple and their products all they want, but never be enougth to change our minds, those of us who like the best computer in terms of performance, security, ease of use, design and all the cool apps will choose a Mac, hands down. Yeah, we are proud to use them, we are proud of our investment, we are happy not to reboot the machine as window people has, we are more than happy that our OS keep us safe from Viruses, spyware or any other danger. We are proud to see how Apple is growing and growing , bringing new and better products, We are happy to see that today Apples stock is $85.58, $55.00 above DELL, we are also proud to have the best reviews of our products and services as is Apple Support that year after year makes the #1. We are happy users of a gret combo of software and hardware that its delivered as one.

And today we are more happy cause Apple/Jobs made eat Michael Dell words back in 1997. He said: "I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."

"Apple is worth more than Dell" $72.13 billion, passing Dell's value of $71.97 billion.

Hahaha, U know we are more happy with Apple than ever.

BTW, this is a Mac forum, why windows users keep coming to flame about, its that they are so in love with Macs but their pride dont allow them to embrace it ?

Windows is cheaply made and sold expensive!

Bill even seems to have no time (or money, don't know what the problem is) to design his own icons. I just got a new spv smartphone with windows mobile on it (and I already regret it).

And guess? The icon for wireless (bluetooth/wifi -settings) is simply STOLEN from mac's Isync-icon. I wish I could make a screenshot for those who are interested...poor guys at Windows. Seem to have no self respect.

I am a Windows XP Pro user, on my Fujitsu-Siemens laptop. Do I play games? Yes. Do I use my laptop for playing games? No.

Macs do not support so many programs as windows does, but what programs do I need for my laptop? I checked out EVERY program that I have installed on my pc, and found out that they all EXIST for mac as well. And I knew a lot about macs before I just bought my new laptop, and I were really keen on having one. But, the PowerBook G4, 15", who has exactly the same spec as the one I am using now, costed 17.000 kr. The Fujitsu-Siemens costed 6 000. That meens that I had to pay three times as much as for the FS! And the FS pc had a really cool design, so all I were after were the Tiger OS, which is really stunning! But a highschool boy like me, cant afford that, so I have to go for a cheap Windows bases PC. And it is great!

While OS X is (in my eyes) a 1000x better looking than Xp, and more easy to use, XP works fine for me. I really want a mac, but I would be thrilled with just the OS X Tiger on an ordenary computer! (I know about the x86 projekt, even downloaded it, and its crap, in the way that it is slow as hell!)

So im my point of view, Windows is for stasionary computers, which you can run games, and do whatever you like on. But on laptops, OS X Tiger is king, when the need for games on them are little, and the most of the other software you need, is available.

My thoughs only folks, nobody is right or wrong here.

I switched to mac when desktops were invented. I was using dos at the time. I often wonder if the friction between mac and windows users is not innovation but the difference between interfaces. I remember when a dos friend of mine came up to me very excited about the new windows interface. I sort of shrugged it off and felt a little odd, because he was obviously devoted to non mac aps. I couldn't figure out if he wanted me to come back to the fold (misery loves company) or just wanted to seem on par. I actually pity windows users, probably because I like them as people and want better for them. They are usually very intelligent in a focused way (you would have to, to be proficient at such a problematic interface!), but don't seem to be able to grasp that computers should be built for users and not for programmers.

I also have a friend that hates mac that is a programmer. He hates mac because as a programmer he was shut out of the mac interface twice and still holds a grudge. I see this as possibly underlying the usage problem. wintel machines were made to tinker with, macs are made to tinker on. wintel is a whole different approach and to make is user friendly seems to undercut its advantages.

All this aside we should be glad there are such two different approaches to this facinating arena.

Without the intention of getting into an OS battle, I just want to add productively and state my reason for using Windows and not the Mac, even though I use a Mac all too often in my Univ. Lab.

Hardware vise I now have an IBM Thinkpad that cost me $1977 that I purchased this december, so price was not the issue.

As electrical engineers, we need to use applications like Cadence (for circuits design), Microcontroller Programming tools like Codewarior, IT Guru (computer network development tool), Mathcad (provided by Univ). It is difficult for anyone in the engineering field to completely dispose windows.

Though, on a users stand point of view, I really like OSX over Windows and Apple has got more things right in making the OS apealing to the user and the invaluable advantage of seamless integration because they make the hardware & the software.

But windows also has its advantages. The high end oscilloscopes, network analysers and some radars I worked with all use windows OS!! Its really amazing how much diverse hardware they have managed to address with the same OS. But doing this requires a install-driver type of approach, issues of unstability.

So to conclude, my chosen line of profession benefits from windows as of now and I think both MacOS and WindowsOS has their abilities & dis-abilities.

Cheers!

Without the intention of getting into an OS battle, I just want to add productively and state my reason for using Windows and not the Mac, even though I use a Mac all too often in my Univ. Lab.

Hardware vise I now have an IBM Thinkpad that cost me $1977 that I purchased this december, so price was not the issue.

As electrical engineers, we need to use applications like Cadence (for circuits design), Microcontroller Programming tools like Codewarior, IT Guru (computer network development tool), Mathcad (provided by Univ). It is difficult for anyone in the engineering field to completely dispose windows.

Though, on a users stand point of view, I really like OSX over Windows and Apple has got more things right in making the OS apealing to the user and the invaluable advantage of seamless integration because they make the hardware & the software.

But windows also has its advantages. The high end oscilloscopes, network analysers and some radars I worked with all use windows OS!! Its really amazing how much diverse hardware they have managed to address with the same OS. But doing this requires a install-driver type of approach, issues of unstability.

So to conclude, my chosen line of profession benefits from windows as of now and I think both MacOS and WindowsOS has their abilities & dis-abilities.

Cheers!

for a clissic Microsoft vs Apple difference, please take your time to watch http://www.microsoft.com/winme/0601/25904/CES_Keyn...

Gosh!! thank you for tat vista keynote link... Mcrosoft for total world domination. Folks, Microsoft Windows is not only going to be inside your TV, Mobilephone, bathroom mirror, kitchen, airport launge, regular home phone, car etc.. etc.. but they are all going to be integrated to operate exchanging information with each other etc. etc... See the keynote for more ifo.

Right now, if its only the computer, then MacOS may be better, but soon Microsoft will be leaving Apple in the dust....

When Steeve Jobs talk of the compnplace software, Gates's keynote is a demo of true science fiction.

No I am not a gates fac... just reflecting some reality here.

It's the point that Windows is finally getting these features, not that they are original, I think.

Always with this endless and idiotic competition. You should be happy that we're progressing!

-Satsuki : )

I've been a DOS/Windows user since 1992 and only recently got a PowerBook G4 17". I am the type of person who likes to delve into "new" technologies and take things apart, forcing myself to find things to hate and love about each thing, and that's what I've exclusively been doing with the PowerBook the past month (not using WinXP at all during this entire time.)

I absolutely love many of the features the MacOSX offers (Expose, Wallpaper switching every x minutes though that's been available w/ 3rd party software), ease of installation/uninstallation of apps, underlying UNIX layer that's accessible through the Terminal, etc), but there are also many things I do NOT like about it.

The Finder is one -- it seems by far inferior to Windows Explorer, yet intuitive in other ways. As someone also brought up, it seems harder with MacOS X to see all running windows at the same time whereas Windows has the tabs at the bottom doing so. Expose is a nifty feature and that helps somewhat.

I could not yet find a "Drive Mapping"-like feature on MacOS X yet where it'd automatically re-map a Windows network share upon login. I created a Network Mappings folder instead with Aliases pointing to those drives.

MacOS X boots up quite quickly and the shutdown time isn't that bad either.

Resizing of windows is definitely better in Windows where you could just grab any of the corners or sides.

I like many of the unique features of Safari, but of course, many websites are still programmed for Internet Explorer, especially when it comes to video (via WMV) -- WMV is proprietary to MS and although you can make it work in MacOS X, it's still a bit buggy/slow. QuickTime is a great format.

In terms of stability, it really depends. As stated, I have been in the IT industry for quite some time and have even taught network engineer-levelm, hands-on (yes, real hands-on) courses, and my experience shows that there are some installations that work flawlessly and some that are buggy as heck for no apparent reason. My own Dell Inspiron XPS2 laptop has been running just fine with the exception of two or so blue screens, but I seriously think it's a Dell hardware design flaw for various reasons. My previous Inspiron 8600 ran great for years. The MacOS X on the PowerBook G4 17" runs stable for the most part but I've been running into some peculiar times where the computer just refused to wake up after yet-unknown events involving power management. I'm sure it could be resolved if I do a fresh install of the OS myself rather than using Apple's provided image. Imaged OSes tend to have bloated stuff on them that could cause crashes. When an app crashes in MacOS X, a kill is usually all it takes. I have run into instances where a forced reboot was necessary -- perhaps 3 or 4 times the past month. It hasn't happened that often lately after performing the latest Tiger update that was recently released. When Finder crashes, the OS needs to be restarted most of the time -- I have not yet found a way to restart the Finder yet once it's killed. In Windows, you can do so from Task Manager > File > Run > Explorer [Enter]. The PowerBook has had crashes where the computer stopped responding at all for no apparent reason. I somehow attribute this to various hardware factors, but it has only happened once or twice since I got the laptop.

Innovation and who invented it first... I don't really care about that. I just care about what is available and if it fits my needs. If someone can make an idea better, go for it. I just hope it eventually gets implemented into whichever OS I would like to use.

The MacOS X is simple to use in many regards, but also difficult in others. So is Windows. They both got their pros and cons, just like anything in life.

The biggest hurdle for me though is that the MacOS X does lack some of the powerful applications I have only been able to find for Windows thus far. Searched through Mac forums, enthusiast sites, newsgroups, review sites, etc. For the most part, I found most of the apps and utilities that could do the job (and some better than any Windows app I have thus far), but for some truly powerful applications (that I use), they are only available for Windows so far.

The iLife suite... love it. Some annoyances with the apps (from a power user perspective), but still love it.

Anything I connected to the Mac worked right away as compared to Windows, but it is my belief that it's easier on the Mac BECAUSE Apple has kept its hardware proprietary/standardized across the board. Windows' biggest challenge is making all the different hardware work without problems and to its credit, it does a pretty good job for the most part. Driver installation/OS troubleshooting could use LOTS of improvement in Windows for the average user, and it has gone a long way since the early Windows days. Mac does this so much better, but again, I attribute this to a closed design.

I was so excited about Vista's new features (especially the parts that will finally utilize a 3D graphics card's capabilities), but when I found the MacOS X already doing most of it, I was a bit disappointed in Vista. But you know what? I look forward to Vista finally introducing them. Why did MacOS X come out with the stuff first before Vista? Product development cycle is shorter and the underlying UNIX code makes it easier. But I do blame Microsoft for taking so long to implement all that with all the resources it has at its disposal. Company is slow, like most giant corporations.

I could write more about my Linux experience and compare that with MacOS X, Windows XP, even Windows Vista Alpha from a usage and teaching point of view, but I'm not going to get into that.

Stop all the fighting. Each OS has its own advantages and disadvantages. I truly like Apple's hardware design (with some minor gripes) and wish that other manufacturers were as visionary as Apple.

I will likely be staying in the Windows realm (for gaming, personal, and work reasons, especially due to the fact that I support a global company running Windows Server 2003 and some Macs), but I will truly miss some of the features I truly love about the MacOS X (Expose for one!) Let's see how Vista will fare.

And oh, I'm not counting out the Mac just yet -- I'm still actively following the Mac Intel stories and will likely consider a Mac purchase again next year, barring it gives me enough reasons to switch from Vista. Of course, if I could run both MacOS X and Vista at the same time using Intel's Virtualization technology, that would be even better.

LOL!!!

That's so funny! I saw this video first and actually thought this was really what Windows Vista was turning into, and I thought to myself "Wow Vista is going to SUCK!!!" Then I searched and found the real keynote and thought ahh ok that's cool. But then I thought back to the first video on this site and thought ohhh, that must of been someone doing a spoof video to make the new features look hella ghey, but then I realized "LOL OMG THAT'S A REAL VIDEO OF THE MAC OS!!!!!!!"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Phew, thanks for the entertainment! Love that red calc app thing btw. I'm sure it's tremendously useful.

<<<<<< By Michael Y >>>>>>>

Fabulous short insight into both the worlds from someone who actually knows what he/she is talking. You hvae covered many of my sentiments in much nicer words.

I try myself not to get into the Mac vs Windows, but truly, when I stumble onto some Mac forums and read the "I am Superior" attitude of many of its users, I give in and join the battle. Mac is definitely a great OS, but the amount of tasks Windows is equiped to perform at this point is way too much (almost impossible) for the Mac. Despite being so small, they haven't yet even managed to release their Tablet PC, while Windows is inside wierd hardware like oscilloscopes, radars, network analysers etc.

Personally though, none of these affect me and if I get the applications i want as an electrical engineer on the Mac, I may even consider buying one.

Hardware stand point, Have you checked out an ThinkPad recently. Its Bios, Pre-Desktop (Non-OS), Hardware Diagnostics (Non-OS), construction quality and thinkvantage applications all set a new level amoung PCs and hardware vise better and more creative than Apple.

Jobs vs. Gates: Who's the Star?

http://www.wirednews.com/news/columns/0,70072-0.ht...

PIX: we use IBM T42's at work and there's a bug in IBM's wireless manager that causes headaches for us. There's a workaround, but it's still a pain nonetheless. I agree with you that the TP has some nice features. I was amazed when I accidentally turned on the built-in reading light that's mounted at the top -- nice!

I am surprised because IBM Access Connection is considered unanimously as the gold standard. I go to office and I have the appropriate printer set as default, disables my firewall and I go to home and it automatically VPNs into to my Univ. network, sets my home printer as default etc. You can do a whole lot more if you write scripts to perform what you want and configure it to be called automatically etc..

I did have minor issues connecting at my friends place who used a paraphrase for wpa security, or maybe wep, but since Access Connection lets you use windows zero config., it was no problem. Overall, I doubt if there is any better comprehensive software like Access connections out there. please do correct me if i am wrong.

OMFG you guys... Fighting about an OS... I was looking around the internet and i did find some true stuff about how macs suck and very few things relating to windows' BS, I mean OS.

I am an extreme windows pc user and I have had windows xp ever since it came out. Really, the only reason I still have windows is because I am an avid gamer and my parents won't let me buy a video game system. Honestly, the OS blows and crashes at least once every 2 months without fail. And if you dont know how to optimize you system, its gunna take around 3 hours to just startup. Ever since my friend bought a powerbook g4 17", I have been left wanting a mac as well... but, being a beta tester of windows vista, i dont think it is a rip off from mac but unfortunately ( dont kill me for this ) apple ripped off most of its features when they were announced by MS in 2003 and so did yahoo and google... A good example is the Desktop Search.

Now im sorta biased toward windows vista cos of the wierd stuff I heard about macs... for example i got some of them from this video

http://www.wimp.com/macs

And secondly, its bad that mac doesnt support as many 3rd party programs as windows and it barely supports most external hardware...

Know wat? Ill continue this rant later in the day cos im at school right now...

Go my pretties! Become consumer sheep you were born to be!

I used a PC for three years.. then an iMac for four years.. then back to the PC...

The Mac catches much less Internet bugs, if any.. but there are Mac-link nasties, and Mac-bugs, that can really mess up your machine, forcing you to format the HD... or if you're lucky, you've got a CD of DiskDoctor on hand to repair the nasties...

Now that I'm back into PC.. I find that this machine really needs all the state of the art protection softwares I can jam into it.. along with the router... and all that, just barely keeps the latest barrage of attacks from destroying this PC's operating system... Some monkey is desperately trying to instal a keyslogger in my PC... He's sending me an enticing email every second day, with links to offers for free big dollar gifts, and shopping sprees, and even WallMart and eBay stuff... I forward them all to the companies mentioned, and they reply that there is a lot of nasties in that email, and that it's not from them... I guess he likes my forum posts, and desperately wants to read all what's in my computer... which is nothing... or he hates my posts, and senses a tiny twitch between his nuts and his bleeding lover's port, and just wants to give me the grief of formatting-C.. and the 20-hours of reloading...

I wish I could just tell him to his face that there's nothing in this PC.. because every day I move my work to floppies, and delete it all from the PC... Heck!.. I'm thinking there's a lot more I'd like to tell to his face and skull!.. while I'm pouring the hot wax into these cyanide-dumms with his name on them... In surfing to peg down my attacker.. I think I saw a pix of the bugger... A super wealthy Latin 20 yearold, with his lips sticking forward lika bear's mouth does.. I gues they call that a "goof"...

If he ever got into my PC, all the nosey goonie would get is the Windows operating system files and my software downloads.. and the pix of a naked lady on the desktop...

Besides all that.. the guy would never get any meat.. even if he was sitting at my keyboard... All the meat is done in the old notebook that doesn't even have a modem.. and absolutely No-one sees those private notebook files and floppies!.. This ole PC is just my post office.. my photocopier.. my world library.. my photo-editing lab.. and a fun way to socialize with the world...

These attacks sometimes make me feel like a Lake Erie Perch with a hundred lampreys stuck to it, sucking it dry...

I think that the only things good about Mac.. is that it doesn't normally catch viruses.. and it has much better screen quality than any PCm and it's not Microsoft, or is it?.. Printing-shops, and Designers, and Inventors all favor the Mac... but I find Mac too expensive, and too slow, and Mac OS's get cluttered and bogged-down way too-fast and easily... But I sure wouldn't reject someone offering me a new widescreen Mac notebook, dropping it in my lap... or even a littlescreen Mac notebook... So what if Mac has slowdown glitches... It's still a computer.. and it still works... but Mac keyboards are so clunky, and the keys get sticky way too easily.. and there's that goofy tiny laser mouse garbage, like pushing around a dry bar of soap on a filthy carpet... I prefer this Logitech Marble Mouse.. as in no more sore wrist... In all this.. it's still hard to decide... so I figure I'll keep both running... and hope that those super genius software writers of "Mozilla Suite" will one day come up with a brand new computer operating system...

omfg u all a bunch of iMac n00bs. have u ever seen an imac that can run F.E.A.R at 1600x1024 with everything maxxed out, and get 80fps? or can it even support HDR lighting? didnt think so... and as for all u n00bs compaining how ur pc crashes.. and u switched to a mac, well u cant build pc's for shit, and even if u can, u dont know how to use them properly. ATM im running xp pro, with a venice core AMD 64bit 4000+, 2Gb of CL 2-2-2-5 RAM, and yes, an X1900XTX 512Mb. I would like to see an imac outperform that, oh whats that.. it hid its tail between its legs and ran out of the room.. oooh.. too bad. many people compain about the internet bugs... that they are EVERYWHERE.. well dont use Internet Explorer, its a piece of crap anyways. if u were making a virus, would u rather make one for a program, which billions of people use every day, or one with only a few thousand? makes u think doesnt it... i dont know about u, but i would rather NOT have to wait 25 mins for my computer to boot up, and log in and ready to use. What do u think i am? a 3 dozer build?

oh, and for the record, my machine runs for weeks straight WITHOUT crashes, and it renders multimedia 50 times faster than an average mac. oh, and i have NEVER had roblems with my drivers.. u all paranoid

You roar like a beast, bragging tons about your meat, how the flavor's just the best, and the framerates never rest, and your measly 2 gig ram just saved the life of Superman, when it's obvious to us all that you were born a little 'small' and because of your sad fate spent some bucks to compensate...

dudes get a live (or ilife)

i bought a power book and having a better live now

ups sorry wrong spelling hehe,too amused this forum is great opens my views

hehehe.. me... compensating? LAWL for what? i mean seriously.. whos ever seen a mac gamer? huh? noone.. and why is that? cause they are not built to handle anything above mac word, or that damn safari.. yeah and for some of u smart asses i KNOW that u can spend what is it? like 5 grand and get a mac that has an X1600 graphics processor.. but wooptey fucking doo.. my sister's 9800XT 256Mb will still beat the shit out of it.. and YES it will.. ive researched this up before u startt saying shit.. and YES infact i HAVE seen it with my own eyes, and trust me, most of the websites with benchmarks dont know what they're talking bout cos the n00b faces only use 1 gb ram for testing. now instead of spending thousands of dollars to get some part that is ACTUALLY MACADABLE (mac compadible), OR u can go like somplace like where i go, and get the same shit BETTER only for a few hundred dollars.. cmon ppl.. imacs only good for boat anchers and door stops.. oh... and i almost forgot foot rests.. and all this nonsence about it being more stable is only for n00bs that prefer a more SIMPLE OS, and cant take care of their pc's.. geezus..

Agree with you on "boat anchors"... I have the options.. of using this iMac, or this PC, on the Net... The iMac is so dam slow and goofy, now that I've got back into PC... especially that stupid little bar of soap they call a mac-mouse... On the PC I have a Logitech Marble Mouse, and a piece of nasa dense sponge just before it, to rest my wrist on... I never get anymore mouse wrist, and the marble is so accurate that I can even write my name with it on the screen, manipulatin the marble with my first two fingers... It's super good for fine pixel photo editing too...

It's only a 350mhz 6gig compaq.. but with my system, <http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/board/about52248.html... it's running clean, fast, and at peak... and it was all free... If I got an iMac cheap, it would still cost me about two hundred to five hundred, by the time I got it up & running...

And most the downloads out there are for PC...

The Only thing I see good in Mac, is that it doesn't catch bugs like PC does.. just because most of the bugs are created on PC...

I was in a Mac Help forum, desperately seeking answers to a glitch, when some forum administration AH-goof sent me a link, to my forum question, which slammed the system so hard that I had to format the HD... I would really like to piss on his head to make him smell good...

This antique 6-gig/600 mhz PC is running W98se FAST and SMOOTH, without any glitches, nor bugs... And the whole thing was 99% FREE... A free PC from the local machine shop.. a free set of old CD's from my brother.. a good printer, and sound system, from the junk, (spring-cleanup).. a year's supply of toner from a neighbor.. an ethernet modem from a friend.. A Logitech marble mouse, and Logitech remote keyboard, from a garage sale, for 2-bucks each.. a free internet hookup from a relative... 5-bucks for a printer patch-cord... and 25-bucks for a matching Compaq notebook... Total cost for this super running system for the cost of a good steak dinner... 34-dollars Canadian. which is like about "2-dollars U.S."...

The only problem with that iMac, is there's no-place to tie the anchor rope...

What u mean theres no place for rope? have u seen the eMacs? they have plenty of room... they call it the "Handle", as if ud want to carry ur mac while workking on it. and as for ur bug problem with ur pc's, try using a program called Opera, instead of internet explorer. and btw, opera only uses like 12k of memory, like IE, which uses 22.. i mean, not like i care.. u know, having 2 gig and all, but it still runs a lot more smoother.. when have u ever seen internet explorer being able to resume and pause downloads?

oops.. i means 12 and 22 MB of ram...

omg cant u find another place to advertise ur stupid ringtones.. cant u see that were all busy here discussing macs and how they need to come with free c4 straped to the side of them and a very fragile remote control that goes off with any minor bump?

Wow, i can't believe people really get so worked up about this whole mac vs windows thing. You all sound like you're ready to come unhinged about it.

Hey, why don't you step away from the [insert computer type here] and go do something for a while to clear your head.

Oh yeah, by the way, windows sucks.

U suck

here ya are: http://tauquil.com/archives/2006/01/06/re-introduc...

Hey ReaverSoul. I'm not gonna get into this debate with you, but I am going to say this.

You are a complete jackass. Learn how to type before you run around bashing on others. LAWL? What the...?

I understand that that you might be twelve, but even twelve year olds need to know some etiquette.

OMFG stfu n00b if u wondering bout LAWL, go to www.purepwnage.com and download all the episodes

lol fag

and im not twelve yrs old, and U need to shut the fuck up !

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i h8 microsoft they r just thief of brillant works from some1 else u guys remember "Project Looking Glass" from sun microsystems if not u should see the demo here: http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.xml... oh by the way windows is going to sucks, crash, error, send report, blue screen, slow down as always do !!

lmao now they are trying to stole technology from razorstream/..???? wow they neva rest now microsoft is launching a new addon for outlook to send video emails hahahaha .... the real #1 company in this area is http://www.helloworld.com bunch of losers! god!!!

You morons, defending ms on here, you know who you are, have not had the chance to use anything else. MS defenders take what they're given. If you had the chance to drive a nice car and a piece of garbage would take the garbage, because yuou cant critically think, you buy what they sell you. The Mac users and people solely from Unic, BSD, et al... of course know more because they are savvy and not trying to just play games. If you like windows you play games and have never tried OS X or BSD or Linux because youjust want games and action movies with the latest action hero stars, and fast food and all that crap like top 40. You dont care if its good or if it works, you just know your friends use it and everyone seems to, and your little non-tech pals in your little world can sit around and talk about how some sorta virus thingie fried my computer duhhhhhhhhhddddddddduu. Your little MS glorified toy for games. Now UNIX, that is a gourmet world where things taste good and work...we dont want you meatheads and your breaking crap software... we knoww better. Ive never bought a Norton or McAffee product in my life and my computers never crashed and I dont use AOL, which is what XP fans are posting this crap on, get a real ISP!!!!! Also Apple hardware is better and whoever way up above makes fun of Steve Jobs for making quality designed hardware: Steve Jobs doesn't care about you or the fact that you being on welfare prevents you from having any thing more than a little crappy MS/Dellwhatever X86 running ms garbage.

OMG! You all are so nerdy! Who gives a crap to your opinions? It's not like anyone will care, they think their opinion is best. This was just about Vista, not a flameware between Macs, Windows, Linux, or Unix... Get some fresh air, people...

"The Mac users and people solely from UNIX, BSD, et al... of course know more because they are savvy and not trying to just play games. "
Well i guess I’d rather be ignorant than a stuck-up know it all.
Oh and by the way I own both Mac and pc. Apple has shortcomings and "steals" software as much as Microsoft, the difference is Microsoft gets sued for it.
http://www.stardock.com/products/desktopx/dx-histo...
maybe a good history lesson about "widgets" opens some peoples eyes.

ummm ppl... WTF!!!!!!
WTF is with all this Windows / Mac shit??????

...LINUX ALL THE WAY...

ive got a PC with Windows XP SP2, SuSE Linux 9.1 and Unbuntu Linux 6.06, Mac G4 laptop, Windows XP SP2 Laptop... and im only 16, yes im a major computer nerd, but thats not the point.... i used 2 have a Apple 2 ages ago, and also had an Apple G3 a couple of years ago... APPLE SHITS ON WINDOWS! everyone get that through ur head... OK? Windows is good, yes i agree, but MAC is better, but the best of all is Linux... it is much better than windows and Mac put together... it is sort-of like inbetween Mac and Windows... it has Samba server so people are able to connect to Windows networks and some distributions are also compatible with Mac. IT IS FREE. THERE ARE NO VIRUSES/SPYWARE. IT HAS GOT FREE OFFICE PROGRAMS (OPEN OFFICE .ORG) Sorry, i just really like my Linux, it has saved me from my windows pc... if i were to choose OS's, i'd say:

Number 1 OS is: Ubuntu or SuSE Linux Distribution
Number 2 OS is: Macintosh
Number 3 OS is: Windows

Windows has to many bugs/spyware/adware/malware/viruses/hacks...

heres a great story the Macintosh users will enjoy, and the Windows users will be astonished...

Their was a Trojan Virus released for the Macintosh System. It didnt get very far though... It only got to a Business in the US using Mac's, and a major group of hackers using MAC got together and hacked the system and removed the Trojan so it couldnt be spread. Then they tracked down the Creator, and wiped out his system. Macintosh users have the spirt to unite, as one with a GREAT OS. They want an OS they can safely use and that has been shown through these hackers work.

You morons, defending ms on here, you know who you are, have not had the chance to use anything else. MS defenders take what they're given. If you had the chance to drive a nice car and a piece of garbage would take the garbage, because yuou cant critically think, you buy what they sell you. The Mac users and people solely from Unic, BSD, et al... of course know more because they are savvy and not trying to just play games. If you like windows you play games and have never tried OS X or BSD or Linux because youjust want games and action movies with the latest action hero stars, and fast food and all that crap like top 40. You dont care if its good or if it works, you just know your friends use it and everyone seems to, and your little non-tech pals in your little world can sit around and talk about how some sorta virus thingie fried my computer duhhhhhhhhhddddddddduu. Your little MS glorified toy for games. Now UNIX, that is a gourmet world where things taste good and work...we dont want you meatheads and your breaking crap software... we knoww better. Ive never bought a Norton or McAffee product in my life and my computers never crashed and I dont use AOL, which is what XP fans are posting this crap on, get a real ISP!!!!! Also Apple hardware is better and whoever way up above makes fun of Steve Jobs for making quality designed hardware: Steve Jobs doesn't care about you or the fact that you being on welfare prevents you from having any thing more than a little crappy MS/Dellwhatever X86 running ms garbage.


LISTEN 2 THIS WISE PERSON
i like this post

Hey vote ppls!!
What do you reckon is the best Linux Distribution?

eg. Ubuntu, Red Hat, Suse, Noppix, etc etc.

All I have to say is that ever since Mac went x86 their stock dropped from a high of $86 to now $57. But not before I made 6G off them. HA HA die mofos...

Send me windows vista os BUT totaly free and i send him credit card mumber............DO'T TAKE IT FUN........
or
send me download link

"By Mac Users. . . on January 7, 2006 at 1:15 AM
If wise people type without capitalization, and prefer to type "u" as opposed to "you", I question the definition of the word.

Of course, it will upset you to no end to point out that some of the features Apple touted as new in Tiger. . were presented in Windows Vista (then known as Longhorn) before Apple even considered adding them to the OS.

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_alpha...

Take Dashboard for instance. . Microsoft introduced a sidebar to integrate small applets into the UI. To counter this, Apple does the same thing Microsoft did, and steals ideas from Konfabulator/DesktopX (take your pick). Then to ruin their credibility even more, they claimed to invent the entire desktop applet genre. Funny, seeing as how the same thing has been available on Macs and PCs for the longest time. Next, you have desktop search. Of course, what's old is new again here too. Nevermind the fact that the ability to search a computer's files has been available in numerous forms since the 70s. Apple takes a desktop search bar, sticks it at the top of the screen, claims to invent that first too, and calls it a day. Oh yes, what innovation we have here. Claims of innovation are untrue here as well. The creation of a desktop search bar has widely been credited to Google, although it too has existed in third party apps for the longest time. (Disclaimer: The highly overused word "innovation" has been used in this paragraph with the permission of the copyright holder, Microsoft. HA!)

Come on folks, are you really so threatened by the other 97% of the world that you have to cling to a company which grubs just as much money as your sworn enemy? The inappropriate use of a dollar sign belongs just as much in M$ as it does in MacO$. But apparently, using a dollar sign and creating videos like this soothes the community. I frankly, do not understand why you people view yourselves as "better" than the rest of us. You hold on to a company, that in your eyes, doesn't wish to suck up every dime because they're too good for it. Then when the battery in your iPod dies, Apple will give you the choice to either buy a new iPod, or charge you almost as much to replace the battery in your old one. Nope, they're not looking for money. Not no way, not no how. And you know, Apples are so much more reliable than Pcs. After all, it's normal to replace the motherboard in an iBook five times.

Finally, you have the ultimate betrayal. Your savior, Steve Jobs, has sold his soul to one of the Devil's Minions, Intel. Altivec? Emulated by a Pentium now. I guess the G4 and G5 really aren't that great, are they? Your OS is all that makes you different now. And frankly, even that is being bastardized. .

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_P...

What's really humorous, is that Jobs does not have enough confidence to take MacOS and sell it for PCs. Why is this? Is it perhaps because MacOS has nothing better to offer when compared to Windows or GNU/Linux? Or is it because he's afraid that if Mac users can get their favorite OS on another company's machine that he'll loose profits from Mac hardware sales? Gasp! Theres that evil "money" concept again."


I've used both!!! Osx tiger and vista beta and xp!!!!

Mac is begining to piss me off!!!! Jobs needs to get over himself and take consideration about pc users!!!!

He will make a bundle of money if he did sell to pc users!!! But then the unique thing aperes!!

I've been a mac user for many years. As such I have been forced to endure such erroneous arguments as the one presented by r2d2. Therefore, I would like to make certain points crystal clear to all PC sycophants: The quality of a computer is not determined by sales or the programs it can run. r2d2's sales argument is comparable to someone saying "If Rolex watches are so good, how come no-one buys them?"
PC's are bought in large numbers because they are cheaper. Businesses don't care that their operating system will be superior. The only thing that matters is that they can purchase 2-3 crappy PC's (aka Compaqs, Dells etc) for the price of one mac. Does anyone on this page run a major business that has to find cost effective solutions to financial problems? I sure don't. I'm a simple Mac user. Sure, I fully upgraded my iMac to the extent that it plays WoW on full graphics and doesn't miss a beat, but I am a casual user. It is not my position to argue they reasons for Mac's being undersold.
Therefore, my advice for anyone who wishes to make an argument about Mac's being outsold in the marketplace etc should at least make reference to sources that support his or her point, rather than resort to pointless gobbledygook.
r2d2, I felt the passion of your opinion, but your feelings deserve better than spam. Do you really want to present your thoughts to the world as a distasteful pink blob of artificially produced meat?

"2-3 crappy PC's (aka Compaqs, Dells etc)"
-There are other pc's OR, you can choose your own components(like AMD cpu's, something you can't put in a mac) and build a pc yourself.

But i get where you're comming from if you only know about Compaq and Dell pc's.

"Does anyone on this page run a major business that has to find cost effective solutions to financial problems?"

Major business? - NO i dont own one.
Financial problems? - YES a bounch,

if i find the same(hardware wise) pc system for 600-700$ less then the mac equivilant... the choise is easily made don't you think?

My problem with claims made by Mac users is that mac's have better hardware, how is that possible when they are using the same harware with pc's?

Sure the OS is great, amazing even, but the hardware is the same with pc's(without the choise part, AMD etc.)And costs a lot more.

Of course now you wil say "the price is added because of the design of the mac", personaly i searched a bit and bought a very nice box from my pc, and a very nice looking monitor. It didn't cost me 600$extra.
Oh and i chose the design of my box out of 8different designs in many different colours not 2 - White or black macbook And even better 17" iMac or 20".

Even dell, the crappiest-most expensive company on earth has systems that can be compared to mac's(the xps410 series for example with the iMac) with aproximetly the same prices. Imagine what you can do with a bit of market research.

I agree with everything you have just posted. The reference to the Compaqs and the Dells is merely my own personal knowledge (my brother had a Compaq that required att least 5 minutes to load), and the fact that they are commercial computers, and a perfect solution to those with a finance problem.
Although I commend your argument's reference to homely financial costs, I must stress the difference between business and home financial costs; a business aims to make money and people wish to save money.
I believe the most important point in your argument is the point concerning hardware. It is utterly ridiculous to suggest that identical hardware of one computer is superior to that of another. Hardware runs better or worse in computers based on the combination of their hardware and the capability of the OS. If one person has a top range graphics card running on an Alienware P4 computer and another has one running on a $1500 (AU) commercial computer, the Alienware is going to run better. If you were to load one iMac with Windows and one with Mac OS X, the hardware would run at different speeds (At least I'd expect it too).
I won't lie. I consider the design of the Mac to be outstanding. I have seen Alienware computers and every case inbetween for PC and I think they look fantastic as well. It's is only your decision that decides what design looks better.
I personally use an iBook and an iMac (new intel one :D) because I believe it suits my image as a writer.

Yours respectfully,
Richard Kennedy

a bit short

This is stupid, even for Mac fanbois. For the record, I own and use Macs. Christ, you people are idiots.

Thank you for your insightful input Mr Anonymous on August 8th, 2006 at 7:47PM. While I am happy that you own a Mac and your friendship with god astounds me, I must encourage you to think before you post.

just check this out
p/s marketshare growing? lol

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/macosx_leopar...

I personally use an iBook and an iMac (new intel one :D) because I believe it suits my image as a writer.

and heres the just

PC's are better. The indows Vista has way more stuff, more than the stuff in the video. Not too sure about security YET, but windows has a lot more support from programs and games. Way more programs can run on windows than Macs. Windows OWNS Macs.

About thoses crashes, if you can't be bothered to keep your PC good, then it will start to stuff up. Prevent those spyware, adware, trojans, viruses, whatever, without installing programs with them, and the PC won't crash. I'm sure that Windows Vista would try to fix this anyway.

Mac's are only for extreme budget users and non-gamers.

What exactly does Windows own? Windows is a lifeless operating system. Bill Gates owns windows and a large share of Apple (last time I heard), so maybe you mean Gates 'owns' Macs.
Now, I think, would be a good time to amend my urge for individual tastes. If you wish to present your opinion, I think we would appreciate some clarity. Why are PC's better for you? Which games and programs do you use on a PC (widely misused term since in actual fact, Mac's are personal computers) that aren't available on a Mac at present?
As for Macs being for non-gamers, I agree. Mac's are predominantly for people who have reached the decision that they would rather work on their passion instead of spending time in a game. While I must admit the urge to become professional at any given game is appealing, the time is usually wasted. If you play games, play them for fun and for your own personal enjoyment. Why should it matter the platform you played the game on?
Your claim that Macs are for budget users is odd, since most windows' users claim that Macs are overrpriced compared to the cheaper and (claimed) more powerful windows computers.
Now, once more I will insist that you post about why you like your computer, not spout out vague gobbledygook about why your computer 'rox' and others suck.

Hey, I like PC's cause I can customize it's insides, not like Macs where you just get a box with the operating system in it all the time. Sure, I always get the topper end PC's, as my work is editing videos I sometimes play games when I'm tired, and that's why I like my computer, and say the Macs cost less, other than those old budget ones, and PC's are better for video editing with the power I put in it. I think you also forgot what other thing I said: There are more programs that support windows rather than Mac.

It told me I did not have permision to post, so I reposted, and it kept comming up. Moderator, or admin, please delete all of those i posted exept one and delete this post too.

MacMan said: "If one person has a top range graphics card running on an Alienware P4 computer and another has one running on a $1500 (AU) commercial computer, the Alienware is going to run better."
Exactly why? If i put EXACTLY the same hardware in it why would the alienware run faster? The fact that something looks better does not mean it will run faster too.

"If you were to load one iMac with Windows and one with Mac OS X, the hardware would run at different speeds (At least I'd expect it too)."
- This makes sence, although i haven't noticed it (and i regularly work on both os's (win and mac).

My The problem with macboys is that they try to get everybody to buy a mac by saying they're better and they do that with the same arguments apple uses.
Both systems are great, Mac's are constricting and come with minimal choise and an great os, and pc's are just as fast(usualy faster), with a lot of choises, cost less but they usualy come with an os that's full of holes.

As for the fact that windows steals stuff from osX like widgets, well guess what that's not exactly an apple original idea(search for Konfabulator or desktopx), but hey, we like apple, so why not use a different way of defining software stealing for them. It's not stealing, it's borowing ideas and making them your own...
Everyone knows (and it has been told in reply's to this post)the story about Mac OS "borowing" it's looks from xerox Alto... Ooooops sorry, i meant windows -stealing- it's look from macOS!
But Apple made the stuff they "borrowed" faster and beter looking, so that makes it ok, right? dumbasses.

I like Windows XP, sure you have to put up with the security threats and spyware but that's because it's "POPULAR".

I use both OS X and Windows on my imac, I find that neither OS is better than the other just different.

I like the feel and ease of use OS X offers but I also like the vast range of software and games available for windows.

My point is why rant which is better when neither is better just different!

Macs suck plain and simple. Windows Vista is the #1 operating system and I challenge any Mac user to switch to a PC running Vista 64-bit and then go back to your useless mac... You will be converted.

Also, Mac software runs on PCs just as fast as on the actual mac hardware... perhaps even better.

Dear pc / mac user here i am form india here xp cd avalable in 2 us$ (on road ) , and ceap china made hardware easyly avalable in all shops (untrusted ) assembled pc cost approx 450 us$ + 2$ oprating system (windiws xp ), i also used it from last 5 years but last year i owned xp pro official (165 us$) nothing change in offical and unofficial ok . but common peoples who just wanna play with pireted software , and untrusted hardware its means "risky" but they have nothing to loose " chat on yahoo !!! " and surfing unwanted sites " this all is like fasion here cabinet avalable too feshonable (10 $ to 30% ) display 14" CRT colur
and i am using imac 2 ghz and mac mini 1.66 ghz both intel why we compare Tiger with other insulting life style .
let them use that ( All graphics experts , vedio makers , remixer DJ ,) where need mac its ready to perform and its performing.

Any PC user Please can explain me !!! whats cost of pc compare tyo 1200$ imac with os , imovie ,iphoto,photo booth,garage band ect... first read all specs carefully then compare it your hardware and software prices including official xp-professional , and please send me breake up - and please explain me how my 6 year old kid swithch on and login windows and play games and upload mp3 player and creat his own song , capture in digital cam and print by pc all done by my 6 year old kid on mac mini 1.66 intel without any third party software , and please explain me when power down why we need to scan disk every time ?????? (windows pros ) ,
and games is not for pc , i have ps2 and xbox its all for gaming pc is for personal work , like creating documents , writing email , surfing sites , designing your work lots more ,
any how i now typing on pc (500 $ baby ) all piraed software - lol

Well yeah, programms like i-movie and i-photo etc are ok but try to remember when m$ tried to put this kind of programms in windows they were sued, and these programms are TOYS, if you really want to work you have to buy third party programms in every platform.

Oh and by the way all the stuff you just said about your 6year old can be done with windows movie maker, maybe not as easy as i-life products but than again mac was not sued because of i-life.

"Vista is #1 operating system" It's a matter of opinion, some prefer OS X, some Prefer Lnux and some will still be using XP years after the release of Vista.

Hello all!
I'm looking for a new system, whether Mac or Windows - I've been browsing a few message boards (Mac and Windows) for a few months now just to get the feel and opinions of each group.

I was also initially looking at Linux aswell, but discounted it - no offense, just wasn't for me - too 'techie' so i'm looking at the two remaining, more conventional -consumer options.

I'm an architect by proffession, at university we were brought up on Mac based architectural packages such as Archicad and vectorworks - At home I have a Windows based PC aswell.

Being design orientated, the look of Vista and OSX are important, my opinion is that they appear almost equal, i've had a play around with OSX and I like it very much, I have only to go by what Microsoft and beta testers have posted on Vista, but that looks impressive aswell - even surpassing the Mac in terms of features and look, but time will tell!

What i've gathered from my research is that there is a view that if you are looking for something that's specialised in say dtp, architecture etc then a Mac would be a good choice, because they are industry backed.

Now since university, i've been in full time employment for 4 years now and whilst there was initially a large uptake of Mac orientated packages at the time, I'm finding more and more architectural practices switching to Windows, even apps that were originally Mac based, I.e. Archicad, now have Windows incarnations. My question now is whether I should stick to mac, I was informed at a trade show that Mac uptake in this industry is in decline. My own experience through various practices I have worked are that windows based systems are making in-roads into what I thought was a Mac-based industry. What are your experiences of this?

Just going off topic, a previous poster mentioned about the differences between the Linux, Mac and Windows online communities - I have to mention that he or she is absolutely correct! I can't seem to find the message, but it goes something along the lines of: that the windows community is very helpful and accommodating, Linux forums are 'cold' and elitist, and the Mac community is immediately hostile to anything not Mac related.

The posts on this topic (and other Mac forums) have been very entertaining, unfortunately it reinforces the view that Mac users have a flawed superiority complex when it comes to Windows.

this video is awesome. I am going to make a video on how opera ripped off many of the features firefox has like tabbing. Great video amateur

Someone should warn Anonymous before he goes to too much trouble. As much as I love Firefox, Opera really did offer tabbed browsing first. :-)

Though that would make the parody all the more humorous.

Go to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfdeNVtGO_A&NR
At 3:10 watch the expose and vista flip like functions, then go to the end of the video and look at the date.
And then go and make dumbass macboy videos.

I use Mac at home, Windows at work. Does it matter who invented the gadget...widget thing first? I never even use the Dashboard in OS X (I actually kind of think it's a waste and wish I could turn it off). Other than that, Windows Vista seems like an OS X rip-off. MS needs to fire their R&D department. Vista seems to be the most worthless MS OS upgrade since Windows ME. All of this delayed anticipation for a basic rip of a Mac product.

All that matters is when my work computers are down because of viruses, spyware, malware, etc., I whip out my iBook and keep on working.

I am glad I use mac cause I don't do anything on a computer anyways. Windows just seems like you have to know how to do something to make it work and I am stupid on computers. Maybe if I had to make money instead of wasting my parents then I would probably get a PC but to me that doesn't matter.

Vista not worthy, not likely all the digital rights management "DRM" stuff added it will be great till you want to do anyting. besides all the new virus's need to be 64bit now kinda keeps the industry going longer. i'll stick to os x and w2k

You stupid Pc copycat dickheads!

Bloody hell, they will be using the Apple logo next!

How can you Pathetic Computer users live with the knowledge that you use leftover ideas?

COPYCATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said:

"Macs suck plain and simple. Windows Vista is the #1 operating system and I challenge any Mac user to switch to a PC running Vista 64-bit and then go back to your useless mac... You will be converted.

Also, Mac software runs on PCs just as fast as on the actual mac hardware... perhaps even better."


You are a sad strange little man.

Anonymous, you are such a stupid, freaky noob.

Reasons:

1) You seem to use a pc

2) You think mac sucks

3) You think i could possibly be converted by a mac rip off

4) You are obviously a demented freak to like PCs

5) What the ****, you think PCs can run Mac software faster than a Mac? - Look at the mac pro, then go see your shrink. You need more help

6) Window's OWNS, Pcs have way more stuff, yeah.... right. - calculator and clock. Big bonus - Oh yeah, nomatter what crap you install, your pathetic pc will still crash. Its nature.

1) I use a 'compatible' PC, I guess you will never understand this word

2) Macs do not suck. The are decent machines to surf or to post msg. Macs cannot however run +100.000 applications... including games.

3) No conversion is required. At least, to me, MACS is not a religion. Oh, perhaps for you it is...

4) You can call me a freak, if I run XP & Linux, on the same box, if I can update my sound card, video card, and tv card at any time. Yes, I have to install drivers but I am happy doing it. I probably freak out if cannot do that.

5) Yes.. yes... and you can type faster and print faster than me. Hurra!

6) Keep thinking like 10 years ago... no, I mean better like 30 years ago: Macs have a better GUI, a mouse and does not crash.

OS is a matter of choice; no need to flame people over their preferences.

I checked the validity of "Mac User"'s controversial claims. Unfortunately to Apple supporters, many of his arguments hold true.

I don't know why the main arguments behind using a Mac are:
1. Windows has spyware/viruses/etc...
2. Microsoft steals from Apple.
For the second point, Microsoft has a different distribution cycle than that of Apple. Just because Microsoft releases the same products after Apple does not imply that MS steals from Apple. (Remember, according to the laws of statistics, correlation does not imply causation. Only an experiment may determine a cause and effect relationship.)
For the first point, virus programmers obviously target Windows because Windows dominates the OS marker. Besides, I use Windows XP and never had any spyware or Trojans attack my computer (or at least until my motherboard malfunctioned... stupid AMD chips...).

I've always like Macs for their visual appeal over the always less interesting Windows skins. However, Vista changes that with Aero (or at least in Home Premium and above).
I've always admired Windows for the features. Sure, some say too many features are a bad thing, but features can be disabled when not being used.

Overall, I like Windows the best, but perhaps flaming people for their choice of operating systems is an immature thing to do.

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I've used G4 in the past. I was only able to run either Dreamweaver alone, or Photoshop. It would freeze everytime I tried running both at the same time. They are by no means more stable than PCs are. If you can properly use PCs, they won't crash. I think its a bit exgaggeration to claim Macs don't crash, its only PCs that are prone to crashing.
Of course if you don't have enough juice on your computer (ie - RAM, disk space, processor power etc) and you try to run programs like AutoCAD, or try to perfom complex calculation in Mathematica, it is likely to crash!
As for your case, I would say first clean up temp files, cookies, do disk cleanup, then disk defrag, uninstall unnecessary programs, stop unnecessary services. You will notice a difference in performance.

Mac interface is simply horrible. For example if you run Photoshop and Dreamweaver at the same time, (these applications have many floating windows, menus), your screen would be full of tiny little toolbars, windows which looks VERY confusing. Sometimes you end up working in a different application and when you try to save your work, you realize oops!

Also because the top menu bar is fixed, that means you can only work in ONE application at a time. So if you are using a single program at all time, you have very little chance of crashing. PC users on the other hand have at least 5/6 programs being used at a time. So you do the math.

I believe this "stability" and "security" of Macs are bunch of bullcraps. No computer software is perfect. You think Macs wouldn't have viruses or spywares if 95% of the world was using Macs? Fact is, they are so worthless that no hacker, malicious coder don't spend any time coding for Macs. What would they acheive anyway? Do they want to affect millions of computers or 4/5 Macs worldwide?
But I don't understand what does "popularity" have to do with stability as you mentioned in your post.

You can run and leave PCs for weeks and months. I work in tech fields and we have XP embedded systems which never gets turned off.

Ok. Y'all Mac zealots need to get these points in to your heads.

Where MS beats fair and square the rest of the world is in it's API. Read the following points :

* For a non-technical user Vista's Aero might look similar to OSX. But, under the hoods, Vista's XAML is way more advanced, "infinitely more productive" than anything Cocoa has to offer.
* The kind of interop one can do between various disparate Vista components ( UI and non-UI) is simply mind boggling.
* You don't have anything in OSX even remotely matching the sophistry and productivity offered by Vista's Indigo.
* For business users, the Workflow foundation is simply awesome. Again the same deal. Better productivity. Imagine business analysts simply creating real apps on the fly. Pray tell me which non-MS technology is capable of doing that ?
* They took out that Storage component but you can bet your bottom dollar that some team inside MS will cook it really nice for the next upgrade of Vista.


Some of you might argue that how this under the hood stuff really matters. Well, that's the trick. As more consumers and Businesses get Vista, the range of apps is only limited by human imagination but definitely not by time ( because of Vista's API productivity).

So y'all Mac users need to chill out. Under the hood Vista is way more advanced than OSX has ever been or ever could be.

F*k apple, quicktime, macos X and other stuff from them.

People. Calm. Down. Why are y'all (yes I'm from Texas) arguing like this? These are just operating systems. There is more to life than black and white boxes. Each OS is good for some people, and bad for others. But neither is worth starting a flame war and throwing explicatives at each other. Neither OS will kill you. Steve Jobs is not God. Bill Gates is not God. Computers are not sent from heaven.

Ah, well. No one will listen to my comment anyway. Well, I'm going to be enjoying life while you dogs scream at each other.

(And yes I am a different "Anonymous" than the Windows zealot above.)

Oh my God. Seriously. People. I use Windows. I know what I'm doing. I also like Macs. Macs are cool. I have a lot of friends who use Macs. But none has ever called me a "dickhead", "ballsucker", etc... Just for using a different COMPUTER than them. And I don't run around telling mac users that Steve Jobs is "raping them in the ass". These are just battery-powered processors with screens that crunch numbers for you. And while Macs may better for Auntie Bethume, and PCs have more software made for them, both have their faults.

Now, children, lets apologize, and I'll give you some nice warm cookies and cold milk.

See? Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Top 5 Vista Problems

1) Too many background tasks
2) Viruses that other people write that damage system.
3) Proliferation of "pirated goods"
4) Insufficient security for #2/#3
5) Insufficient currently deployed for #1

Top 5 DOT (Department of Transportation Problems)

1) Traffic
2) Crashes that other people have that damage traffic flow.
3) Proliferation of stolen goods.
4) Insufficient law enforcement for #2 and #3
5) Insufficient current infrastructure for #1

Top 5 Mac Problems

1) Think they have as much traffic as their larger transportation systems.
2) Think having less accidents means its safer.
3) Proliferation of illegal goods just as proportionately pervasive.
4) They think that the system is more secure, when in reality it doesn't get as much diversified use.
5) Limited hardware availablility.

Top 5 Department of Transportation issues for Country roads

1) Less traffic, oops this isn't a problem for people that like the country.
2) Less accidents, oops this isn't a problem for anyone. But 1,000,000 cars passing and 10 accidents is the same accident proportion as 100,000 passing and 1 accident. Hmm...
3) Yup they use back roads for distribution too. Ever hear of Timothy McVey? Some use Macs to write PC viruses, some use the contry to make bombs for cities.
4) The country is very secure! oops that's not a problem. :)
5) The country always gets the best hardware after the city does.

Mac just works, it's great, it's like my toaster, it just works. If the toaster breaks I get a new toaster. Simple! If my PC breaks, I tinker with it and replace the parts myself, if my mom's PC breaks, I fix it.

I've seen Mac software crash, often and they just reboot and never report the crash. I think it comes down to cleverness, the cute message that Mac has when it crashes is 'panic', the message a PC has when it crashes are varied and are quite dramatic. I think it's all in the reporting method.

PC doesn't personify the PC, mac does. It's easier to be lenient on a personified item. Aww, look at that cute little toaster woaster, it's burnt, but it still works vs. That toaster is burnt, it doesn't fit the decor, throw it out.

If there is anything a Mac user hasn't realized yet is that they have fallen for the greatest marketing gimmick of mankind. Personification.

ive used windows ever since i started using computers which dates back a long time. but ever since the OS X came out i couldnt resist its picture and its extra features. but why spen $2000 on something that does the same as a Windows with a few extra features?
just follow the link and download something with graphics of an OS X and the functions of a Windows
http://osx.portraitofakite.com/

A colleague of mine who edits on an Avid Adrenaline system challenged me to a rendering contest of 5 minutes worth of HD DVCPRO footage. His $25,000 PC took 2.5 minutes longer to render than my $4,500 MAC. Oh, that doesn't include the 2 hours I sat around waiting for him to update hardware drivers on his machine. The Windows environment is boring and requires far too many variables to be efficient and trustworthy. Microsoft has lost their vision. I say let them own the corporate and gamer market share and let the rest of world's people who like to get shit done have their Apples.

"$25,000 PC" invested in what?
Cpu power or 20tB HD space?
And from when? Do they have the same generation of cpu, ram etc or was the one bought years apart from the other.
It's not really a trustworthy measure for system power is it?

"2 hours I sat around waiting for him to update hardware drivers on his machine." That's what it takes me to format my hole system and get all the software and drivers installed, also i cant imagine somebody who edits in Avid and doesn't update his drivers regularly.
Are you overstating things or what?

Interesting! I'm a bit of an old git these days, used windows and Macs since 1986. The most stable OS I have ever used was Solaris on a SunSparcII. Hated windows 98, found XP Pro to be both good and stable but those bloody security updates!!! OS8.6 was better than OS9 (9.2 - worst Mac OS ever - so unstable)

Had 1 crash with OSX in all the years I've been using it. My old G4 533 dual just chugs away - 6 years on. But have just bought a Dell Inspiron 6400 and was looking at putting Vista on it? Not so sure for now. I do fancy trying Gnome or something different.

Macs and PC's are not so different and they are slowly converging, they just go about things differently. From a commercial point of view (running multi platforms) UNIX has been the most robust by a long way. The PC the most versatile and the Mac somewhere inbetween.

Part of the problem is that Windows is seen as a difficult interface to use. After all, now Macs are PC's in fancy clothing, the only real differences are the aesthetics of the thing and the OS X interface.

Mac users who are cynical about Windows are generally so because they are afraid of it. OS X is so simple... a simpleton can use it. It isn't taxing in any way. There are upsides with an interface like this if you don't want to tweak the system etc. but really, using computers has always been about learning. It's ironic that Mac actually stop it's customers from learning the ins and outs of computer technology and the software that holds it all together.

The amount of Mac users that refer to their hard-drive space as 'memory' makes me laugh.

Mac is a dumbed down, blonde haired interface. Which is fine if you are a fraidy cat and aren't willing to really get down to some learning.

Vista and XP users can more often than not use OS X and even tweak it or set up new hardware without issues. I ask you, can a die-hard Mac user do the same?!

I think not. Sorry!

oh, and further more, I don't trust any company that has a monopoly on ther hardware. IT means you have no choice but to buy from them, even though if they allowed other manufacturers to produce hardware, the batteries might be better, the laptops wouldn't get so hot and... i can't be bothered to go on. I love my Vaio. it's 13.3" but as powerful as a 19" macbook pro. nuff said. OS X should be allowed out of its cage.. then everyone will see that Macs are just fancy looking PCs! tell me I'm wrong!

well i haven,t try your software as yet but i think its a good deal.Hopefully i will enjoy it.

Here I am searching for a way to access apple formatted volumes Via Vista and I come across these pearls of wisdom in the shallow gene pool known as this pissing contest of a forum.

Seriously, I've never seen so much stupidity and ignorance in one forum since... err...umm... nope, I guess this is it really.

I'm reading a bunch of people spouting off "facts" that support their personal preferences/opinions - nothing more.

The reality of it is that well, who gives a flying bull's arse?!

To mister techie of 22 that has been doing this for 5 years - what type of support do you do?! Online banking? Obviously nothing significant.
I've worked for the #1 largest printing company in the World - supporting both mac and pc and (ugh)Unix systems.
So let me set all you clowns stright.

(1) Unix guys think their sh#t don't stink and they need to sell their comic book collection & move out from their mother's basement.
Unix has too many "flavors" to be a unified OS for mass market appeal. And it's not that impressive. They crash too I've had to babysit 2 Sun server systems.
(2) Windows no matter how you want to look at it will never run optimal or stable enough. C'mon it's written for christ knows how many different CPUs, manufactures, blah blah blah. It's just asking for trouble. Plus resale value is next to nil. So, of course you want to upgrade it and who care if you can? it's like buying a Gremlin and saying "Yeah I can put a helluva engine in it" It's still a friggin' Gremlin - it's old and ugly.
(3) mac users, who cares what everyone else says? The market share IS growing. I've seem more people switch over the past 2-3 years. Be happy and just laugh and point at the losers. At lease you can sell your computers for almost the same price you bought it for a year later - the resale value on those damn macs are unbelievable and contrary to the rest of you idiots they ARE more stable.
I've been dealing with this for 12 years. Watchin' apple computers chug away at massive tasks(Audio, Video, and Imaging) and it's gotten to the point where I feel like Maytag Repair man. I rarely ever have to do any work to them hardware, software or otherwise.
So, just stop acting like someone pissed in your cheerios. Just point and laugh.

In short to everyone: Stop acting like retards.

My man, you just did exactly what you judge everyone else of doing. Take your own ideas formed by your personal experience in the printing business(so i guess not a lot to do with let's say gaming industry, engineering etc.) and wrote something that you think is the rule.

Most Unix systems where not exactly designed for personal computers so they're kind of an outsider since only techies know how to solve their problems.
Windows is the non expensive choice that can work ok if you know what you are doing.(my personal choise, for budget reasons and because i don't have the patience or the time to learn to use mac's on the same level as pc's, still just as usefully tho),
OsX is great no matter how you look at it, it's real easy for beginners and very useful for advanced users. It can crash but only if you are a real idiot or trying to get it to crash on purpose and it's amazingly difficult to get people to mess them up(lose data, lose shortcuts etc.).
But the lack of personal hardware choice is what drives many advanced users away.
I like to have a very powerful system but i don't need two woodcrest xeons on it, that's just overkill.
It has nothing to do with cpu support(apple has drivers for many cpu's that i would like to have) but the combinations are not my choice.

So there you have it my own personal thoughts for my own system.

I also advise people accordingly, if the don't know shit about computers i usually advise mac's except for the cases where budget is the main word in their vocabulary.
When they know a little more about it they sometimes come with the same argument i just used and sometimes they just prefer osX that much that they simply don't care about the exact hardware that drives it.

It's all personal choice and requirements,
and it's not a one size fits all choise.

Amazing life to this thread
Was just given an Imac g3 w/ os8.6 -I wish I could upgrade the browser to something useable-The machine actually runs quite fast for a 333mhz processor. I prefer Ubuntu over windows and if I could afford it perhaps a mac -but is it really that different from my Ubuntu box? not anymore. Too bad these old macs can't be reused cheaply/easily .02cents

To Mantiz: you asked why the same graphics card in one pc would run faster in another. The reason could be the motherboard, Memory, HD or CPU. PC builders have many options when it comes to all three where as MAC users are stuck with few to no choices outside of memory & HD upgrades.

A Pc user can upgrade his motherboard to another with higher bus speeds, higher Quality components, better chipset, design & Dual, Quad or above CPUs. Where as Apple does not even allow such a thing.

On the hardware front Apple is innovative & dammed rite revolutionary at times but in no way Superior since the competition from PCs come from many vendors. And I’m not talking about commercial pc manufactures like Dell, HP, Emachine or whomever. I’m talking about the Motherboard and Memory designers like Intel, Nivida, Asus, FIC, DFI, Corsair, Kingston, Crucial, Samsung, OCZ ect...

Now generally speaking its funny that now days there is nothing that separates an Apple PCs from IBM PCs ever since they switched to Intel CPUs so honestly this all comes down to Windows VS OSX & Ill say this for Mac’s; they are visually stunning and at times seemingly clever but what the fuck is up with them not having a full screen button? To each his own but just the time I waist on that alone kills the entire experience for me.

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better late than never

PC's Suck MAC ALL THE WAY

Is this ALL that happens here? People just come, rant and insult each other about what OS they use, cherrypick facts and provide inaccurate data to support their assertions? I honestly feel sorry for the lot of you. Get a hobby! Get a woman! GET A LIFE! Geez!

By Anonymous on November 17, 2007 at 7:01 AM
I honestly feel sorry for the lot of you. Get a hobby! Get a woman! GET A LIFE! Geez!

I love that bit...and completely agree.

I am switching to mac soon because, by using my mates macbook, i see it is more suited to my uses.

Windows vista wasnt as good as xp in my opinion. it seems very temperamental (dunno if i spelt that right!)and definitely needs work. As the only computers i have used in the last 10 years of my life have been windows, they did the job of my homework and class presentations. But now i am a media student and intend on pursuing a career on this path, macs suit me better. And games? The only games i play ("The Movies" and "The Sims 2") have a mac version anyway. Its all to do with what suits your needs.

So take 2 minutes to think about how crazy this argument is, when all over the world people are dying from incurable diseases (which could be cured by donating money for development), poverty and neglect, and you lot are arguing over a bloody operating system. what a bunch of fanboy retards.

I'm gonna get such a screaming at for this aren't I?

Let's see how different computers rate.
Recent report on Macworld (slightly edited).
Apple dominates Which? Desktop PCs: Best Buys
Nick Spence
Apple In a recent Which? (UK magazine) round-up of desktop PCs. Best Buys survey found Apple clean winners, beating well known brands such as Asus, Acer, Compaq, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Philips and Sony.

"To choose the best computer brands, we ask thousands of Which? members how satisfied they are with their brand of computer, how many problems they've had, what they think of the manufacturer's helpline and whether they would recommend the brand to a friend."

Apple was awarded 94 per cent in the 'Customer score' section, with Sony in second spot with 80 per cent and Novatech in third with 79 per cent.

Under 'Reliability' Apple 85 per cent, with ‘not available’ ratings for Sony and Novatech. Apple scored four out of five for ‘Support’ while Sony received two out of four.

"Apple gets an impressive 91 per cent in our customer satisfaction measure. It's also rated highly for support, earning a good overall rating. Apple computers are reliable too, with an above average reliability rating."

If you have a Mac, congratulations. If not - as life was meant to be easy - why not check out a Mac before you buy another PC?

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